Talk:David Quantick
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[edit] My biography has been half-inched by the biographee ;o)
I put in the greater part of the effort required to create the David Quantick article.
I have since happened upon the shocking revelation that the biography has been stolen and is now being used under a stringent copyright license! Who has committed this atrocity? DAVID QUANTICK!
OK, I'm kidding a bit... let me explain. He's just written to me to say that he has submitted the biog to the IMDB as his official biog. He then says it dawned on him after the event that this was rather cheeky, and has asked me if that's OK.
Now, I knew that the important thing here was to look at the IMDB's terms of use for material and found this (my bolding):
Copyright
All content included on this site, such as text, graphics, logos, button icons, images, audio clips, video clips, digital downloads, data compilations, and software, is the property of IMDb or its content suppliers and protected by United States and international copyright laws. The compilation of all content on this site is the exclusive property of IMDb and protected by U.S. and international copyright laws. All software used on this site is the property of IMDb or its software suppliers and protected by United States and international copyright laws. [1]
And it seems safe to say that the bio at IMDB will now fall under this.
David has said that if I just give the nod he will ask for it to be taken down. I'm in the position now, aren't I, of having to act according to the terms of the GNU license and ask that he does just that?
This is rather a harsh lesson for me of what it means to submit stuff here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not worried about money, as none is offered. What is now a personal shame for me is that a man I greatly admire is going to get a thumbs down from me. In addition, he works in an industry I could happily use a contact in... and it would be to my advantage to be as accomodating as possible.
So, then... how can I get out of this best? Presumably I could write a similar article for him - perhaps asking him for some more detail to add in - and create a new work in a different style?
Help!
--bodnotbod 01:26, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
- Probably, you can just ask him to provide a link to the Wikipedia article, and explicitly state at the bottom of the article that it is released under the GFDL. He will have to get permission from the IMDB guys to do this, as they will need to add an "unless explicitly stated otherwise" to their TOS. IANAL --Alterego 02:22, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
- Just release the last version in which you were the sole contributor into the public domain, or release it for use on IMDB (you can do this because you still retain the copyright for that version, not having assigned it to anyone else). Then anyone is free to use it anywhere. Of course, IMDB will still be claiming a copyright which they don't actually have, but you presumably won't care. - Nunh-huh 02:29, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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- Well, that last sounds ideal. I'll go with that if I can. I'll let this sit here a while longer in case anyone raises any objections to that course of action. Thanks very much Nunh-huh. --bodnotbod 03:38, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
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- Looking at the revision history, nobody else has yet made a copyrightable contribution to the article. You could relicense it to whomever you want under whatever terms you wish. IMDb's terms wouldn't make me happy-happy if it were my content, though. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:13, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, quite. Ask for the GFDL notice and link back to wikipedia. That way you get the credit, wikipedia gets the publicity and perhaps best of all, David Quantick will remember you as that starry-eyed idealist. --fvw* 06:18, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)
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- Hmmm. OK. I'll get in touch with IMDB and see if I can get any sort of response (of which I am not hopeful). I don't feel comfortable getting into a deep discussion about these things with David Quantick as it would be a gamble, based on no information, that he doesn't simply say "oh, this is putting you to too much trouble, let's leave it." Which he would mean with the politest of intentions, I'm sure, but it would leave me feeling I blew it.
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- Thanks for the responses so far. I'll keep checking back here whilst I wait for IMDB to get back to me: no breath will be held. --bodnotbod 18:41, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
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copy of message to IMDB
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Dear Sir/Madam,
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I am a contributor to the free content encyclopedia Wikipedia:
www.wikipedia.com
Some time ago I wrote an article about a performer there. Rather delightfully that performer has now contacted me to say that he has used that article in its entirity as their biography page at the IMDB.
As a fan of the performer's work this is a personal triumph. However, as I understand it, if I allow the biography to remain at IMDB I am giving up the copyright to you.
We at Wikipedia feel this is a pretty rum deal, and in essence we provide information freely and should - strictly speaking - only allow that info to be used provided it is not then subject to more restrictive copyright terms.
However, were the biography page in question to include the caveat that the biography is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright
And include a link to Wikipedia that would be acceptable to us.
Please let me know if this compromise is possible. Otherwise it looks like I'll have to either a) ask that the biography be taken down or b) come to some arrangement with the performer as to providing them with an alternate biography.
Thank you,
User bodnotbod
- --bodnotbod 19:08, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
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- Additional notice: you should state this on Talk:David Quantick, just in case the IMDB comes back and claims that Wikipedia is violating THEIR copyright. Just copy this section of the village pump to the talk page, and maybe add a note with the final arrangement you got with the IMDB/Artist. -- Chris 73 Talk
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- OK, copying content now. Good idea. Thanks. --bodnotbod 04:30, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
