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Quote:"We have to reserve the right to bomb the niggers."

...seems to be loitering around rather disconnectedly at the end of the article. A Google search [1] brings up a few variant versions of this quote; does anybody know the correct text and the exact source? It seems to be from DLG's diary, and possibly relates to the Disarmament Conference of 1932. I don't particularly want to take it out, but putting it in context would probably cast a little more light on the man. --rbrwr

H.A.L. Fisher - President of the Board of Education was an Historian who wrote a 2 volume History of Europe. From my contemporary POV - a racist -- but after glancing at the above entry,maybe just a man of his time and place. - Sparky

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[edit] Peerage title

Was his peerage title "Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor"? I thought it was just "Earl of Dwyfor". Timrollpickering

I suspect you're right - the form "Lord x of y" is usually associated with modern life peerages, on top of which his surname would presumably have to be hyphenated to be used in a title. sjorford →•← 14:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
That's what the "of Dwyfor" bit is for - to allow the lack of a hyphen. (Also, Earl Temple of Stowe, Marquess Curzon of Kedleston, Earl Alexander of Tunis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma, Earl Alexander of Hillsborough, Earl Baldwin of Bewdley, etc.) Proteus (Talk) 08:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
"Lloyd George" was hyphenated in the peerage, according dictionaries which I have read. Anglius
"Dictionaries"? I'd rather trust Burke's and Cracroft's Peerages, both of which give it without a hyphen. Proteus (Talk) 08:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

As I just noticed that the older image formerly illustrating this article, and then for a while used in other articles, at present seems to be an orphan. I'm putting it here just so anyone who might have use for another image of Lloyd George on Wikipedia may be made aware of it. -- Infrogmation 18:51, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think this one should be reinstated in the article(s). It's a nicer pic, plus it has specific copyright/sourcing information. –Hajor 18:55, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] DLlG a Welsh Nationalist

In the article it notes that Lloyd George was bitterly oposed to Welsh Nationalism. This is incorrect - you should read the history of 'Cymru Fydd' a national movement lead by Lloyd George and Tom Ellis.

[edit] Sale of Titles

To whom did he "sell" titles? William Waldorf Astor, Sir William Maxwell Aitken, or Sir Rufus Isaacs? I read that King George V objected to Sir William Aitken's elevation to the baronage. Could that have been the reason? Anglius None of the above. Sir Max Aitkin became Lord Beaverbrook in 1916, the King did indeed object to his elevation but Beaverbrook paid no money, rather it was in the hope of buying his newspapers support that D LG sought his elevation, (see A J P Taylor's Beaverbrook pp 125-127 (Chatto &Unwin)) Sir Rufus Isaacs became Baron Reading when made Lord Chief Justice in 1914, for the people to whom honours were sold see my edit on the article Backnumber1662

[edit] On L.G's comment "We reserve the right to bomb the niggers"

David Lloyd George's comment, "We reserve the right to bomb the niggers", is cited in N. Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival - America's Quest for Global Dominance" page 161 (Penguin, 2004), or from its original source, i.e. that quoted by Chomsky, V. G. Kiernan's "European Empires from Conquest to Collapse" (Fontana, 1982). SamWilson 19:56, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

________________________________________________ DLG & Greece Should some mention be made of Lloyd George's support for a creation of a greater Hellic state which included most of Turkey Agean coast and Thace. Reading from Patrick Kinloss's biograph on Ataturk and other sources it would seem that the Greek invasion was in part started due to the support of DLG himself?

Solomon

[edit] Qutoe from Lloyd George on Wilson and Clemencau

Could anyone tell me when and where answered Lloyd George to the question on how he did on the conferences? Where he compared Wilson to Jesus and Clemenceau to Napoleon? Thank you very much!

[edit] No mention of Suez

I found it quite strange that there is no mention of the Suez crises, the events that led to his downfall as a politician.--87.210.137.93 18:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


The Suez Crisis brought down Sir Anthony Eden, not Lloyd George.

[edit] Lloyd George Knew My Father ?

Shouldn't there be some mention of the song "Lloyd George Knew My Father" - even if we don't mention My Father Knew Lloyd George ? -- Beardo 20:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Party Leader 1926-31

The section covering this part of his life is very brief and does not mention his role in the development of the Liberal's Yellow Book and subsequent program for government "We Can Conquer Unemployment" which dominated debate in the 1929 election. However, it goes into some detail of Trade Union activity from 1916-18 which seems out of place in thi article. (Graemp 22:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Squeeze the german lemon quote

Added link to Eric Campbell Geddes, the author of that quote. Cite is located on his page.

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