Talk:David Garrard (property developer)

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Yet despite the work of so many in this room like David Garrard, Michael Heller and the Jewish community as a whole, we have a desperate need to renew and replenish values of service to others, compassion and responsibility to those in need.[1]

it was obvious anyway, but why let the obvious get in the way of a bit of WP:Point? Jamaissur

Ambiguous. Find something reputable that clearly states he's a Jew please. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

it is not 'ambiguous'. the ldr of the tory party is addressing Conservative Friends of Israel and speaks of 2 individuals and the jwsh cmnty as a whole. how else can u interpret that? plus he's in ort and sponsors the UK Jewish Film Festival. what mr do u want -- his brith certificate? [2] Jamaissur

The link mentions two individuals, and then the Jewish community; it doesn't say he is part of that community. As for his many interests, he may be a Judeophile, or married to a Jew - who knows? The point is, we don't do our own original research here; instead we rely on reliable sources. Find me a reliable source that describes him as Jewish; if he's so involved, and so obviously Jewish, as you say, then that should be difficult, should it? Jayjg ^(talk) 01:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

if i say "jay, slim and the wikipedia community as a whole...", i am not simply mentioning 2 individuals and a unconnected community, because the 2 indivs r included in the community by the phrase as a whole. if u can't grasp this, u r not fit to edit the english wiki. but of course, u can grasp it. Jamaissur

Please make comments in English. Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

But, if Jay's suggestions were true, he could be a member of the Jewish community and not be Jewish...? jnothman ^talk 07:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

indeed. Jamaissur

In which case one should not be adding him to the Category:British Jews unless one actually has some specific WP:RS which says he is a Jew. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

ihao. Jamaissur

Contents 1 reverting 2 prominent member of Conservative Friends of Israel 3 Political involvement 4 Jay of Atonement

[edit] reverting

it's tiresome when one corrects bad grammer etc and reversion restores it. wikipedia's standards in this department are low enough already. Jamaissur

[edit] prominent member of Conservative Friends of Israel

fingers crossed it doesn't count as trivia and original research, but i'd argue that he is named explicitly by the then leader of the tory party. Jamaissur

The source provided does not say he was a member, only that he was present at the speech. Pecher ^Talk 14:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political involvement

Just bullet points:

• SpinWatch is not a reliable source per WP:RS.
• Being praised by Tony Blair does not count as political involvement, and the source provided [3] says nothing of the kind. Instead, it says that Garrard "is a Chairman of the Trustees of the International Centre for Child Studies; Patron of Handicapped Children’s Aid; Trustee of the Police Foundation; a Patron of the Philip Green Memorial Trust; a Director of the British Property Federation; is a Councillor and sits on the Steering Committee of the Business Division of the Prince’s Trust and is a Benefactor of the Nightingale Home for the Aged, in addition to supporting a myriad of other charities - the beneficiaries of which are principally children."

Pecher ^Talk 14:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jay of Atonement

Jay -- you must repent your efforts to conceal Sir David's widely publicised and praiseworthy membership of Jewish Care. The organisation's own article mentions it, The Aryan Advertiser and other mass-circulation British newspapers have mentioned it and it is perfectly acceptable for this article to mention it. Please stop your attempts to harm Wikipedia's already insecure reputation for accuracy and authorativativativeness. jamaissur ^{lemon or lime?}

You've now been blocked a 5th time for your peculiar attempts to edit Wikipedia solely for the purpose of trying to tie crime and Jews together in some way. Your attempts to harass me are merely mildly amusing, but your attempts claim, then insinuate, that Garrard is a Jew will continue to be resisted in increasingly vigorous ways. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Eh? I put proven facts in, you censor them, and I'm harassing you? David Garrard is a Jaw, Jey -- sorry, is a Jew, Jay (these new pills, oy!) -- and if I didn't know you and the Wikiarchs better I'd almost detect a whiff of megalomania and authoritarianism in your closing remark. jamaissur ^{lemon or lime?}