Talk:David Bukay

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This is a biography, and must be edited according to WP:BLP. An extremist partisan website, such as 'Occupation magazine' can't be used as a source. Please find a WP:RS that describes his views as extreme if you want to include this in the article, especially when he denies making the statement attributed to him by the extremist partisan website. Isarig 23:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Come on Isarig, you don't want me to describe Bukay's views as "extreme" even when I cite sources. So how do you expect to get away with describing Occupation Magazine as "extreme partisan". It is in fact pretty much in the mainstream of the Israeli anti-occupation movement. That may make it partisan, but neither extreme, nor unreliable. In any case, the article I quote is taken from the Chronicle of Higher Education [2]; but this is a subscription-only site, to which I do not have access, and I suspect most Wikipedia readers will not either.

To describe Bukay's views as extreme, shows that even his critics recognise that the positions he allegedly puts forward are far from the mainstream Israeli right. By rejecting this label, you almost imply that his views are indeed common currenvcy on the Israeli right. Surely you don't think that? RolandR 00:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Jayjg has been removing from this article quotations from the Arab Association for Human Rights Report of June 2005, on the spurious grounds that this is "plagiarism". The passage starts "The Arab Association for Human Rights alleged", and I have not at any time attempted to present their views or statements as my own. His latest argument is "directly copying text from a source without enclosing it in quotations is plagiarism".

The full quotation is:

"Dr. David Bukai, Professor of Middle East Studies at Haifa University, made comments several times during the first semester of the 2004-2005 academic year that included racist statements against Arabs. He stated that terror is the problem of the Arab, and that the Prophet Mohammed was the first terrorist. Dr. Bukai also commented that 'We should shoot terrorists in the head in front of their families' by way of a deterrence, and 'destroy a whole house, with everyone in it,' in order to get rid of one wanted person. On another occasion, Dr. Bukai stated that 'the Arabs are just alcohol and sex.' He also commented that 'the Arabs are stupid and have contributed nothing to humanity.'"

I have summarised this as:

"The Arab Association for Human Rights alleged that in the 2004-2005 University of Haifa semester Bukay made a number of offensive and anti-Arab remarks in his lectures, including 'we should shoot terrorists in the head in front of their families' as a deterrent and 'destroy a whole house, with everyone in it,' in order to get rid of one wanted person, that 'the Arabs are just alcohol and sex', and that 'the Arabs are stupid and have contributed nothing to humanity.'"

This is legitimate, accurate, and fully cited. Just what is the problem here?--RolandR 01:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)