Talk:Dave Lister
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In the article it is claimed that Lister is an Pantheist. However, I coincidently found this quote is from the episode "last day", from season three (from an internet source so confirmation please):
- Kryten: It's the electronic afterlife! It's the gathering place for the souls of all electonic equipment. Robots, calculators, toasters, hairdryers - it's our final resting place.
- Lister: I don't mean to say anything out of place here, Kryten, but that is completely whacko, Jacko. There is no such thing as "silicon heaven."
- Kryten: Then where do all the calculators go?
- Lister: Yeah, but I just don't think it applies to kitchen utensils. I'm not a frying pantheist! Machines do not have souls. Computers and calculators do not have an afterlife. You don't get hairdryers with tiny little wings, sitting on clouds and playing harps!
- Kryten: But of course you do! For is it not written in the Electronic Bible, "The iron shall lie down with the lamp"? Well, it's common sense, sir. If there were no afterlife to look forward to, why on Earth would machines spend the whole of their lifes serving mankind? Now that would be really dumb!
Yes, that really is from the season three episode "The Last Day", although there's some spelling and punctuation errors and it skips two lines in the middle:
- Lister: They don't go anywhere. They just die.
- Kryten: Surely you believe that God is in all things? Aren't you a pantheist?
But why do you mention it in the first place? Your wording - "it is claimed that Lister is a pantheist. However, I found this quote" - makes it sound like you think the quote says that Lister isn't a pantheist, which it doesn't, being in fact the only quote in the whole of the series that says he is. If you wanted to contradict the article, you'd have done better to cite the episode in season six in which someone describes Lister as "the ultimate atheist". --Paul A 03:53, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Just a hunch, but I'm guessing, because those two lines are missing, the reader might think that he's "not a pantheist". When of course, he is ;) Andymarczak 15:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think those lines mean Lister is a pantheist. I'm an atheist, and yet someone could easily say to me, "Surely you believe that God exists? Aren't you a Christian?" Pantheism could simply be the predominant religious belief, so Kryten may have just been assuming. Also, Lister's line, "I'm not a frying pantheist" doesn't neccessarily mean that he is a pantheist, as I could easily say that I'm not a frying pantheist either. (Ah, I'm good at this, figuring out ways for two different things to be true at the same time. :P) Tiberius47 08:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah see, I think we'll have to call this one a draw, due to the fact that Grant Naylor rarely let continuity get in the way of a good gag! :D Andymarczak 10:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)