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"remove untagged pictures. In no sense was flooding the page with huge, low quality pictures a good move". The pics made the page better. I didn't add them and should have checked for a tag but maybe somebody could track them down again. The pic we have now is awful and the others were a good move if tagged properly. Marskell 22:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The pictures were not an improvement. One was visibly copyrighted while the other was of poor quality, and both pictures were too large and disrupted the page. Wikipedia is not an image repository, and the continued saturation of the David Batista and Brock Lesnar articles with untagged, copyrighted, and excessively large pictures by Alm93 / 70.81.117.175 is becoming very tiresome. McPhail 00:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Age dispute

There seems to be a dispute over his age, and users reverting it because "his official website still says he was born in 1969". As for the rules regarding age disputes, there is Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Obviously, he couldn't have been born in both years, and most reliable sources give 1966. In this case where he is likely lying about his age, his own website is not a reliable source. There is no reason to give the 1969 date equal standing with the 1966 date.--Fallout boy 11:29, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Reliable sources? Virtually every wrestling website derives any news from a small selections of journalistic sources of dubious authenticity. Simply deleting information does not change the fact that there is an age dispute; this amounts to POV pushing. McPhail 17:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

First of all, there is no POV pushing in providing a correct age. POV pushing would be saying something like "born 1966, because he's a senile old man who's too scared to reveal he's almost forty). If anything, providing the 1969 year is a factual inaccuracy. Second, why are you so sure they are dubious in authenticity? Since this isn't going to be resolved here, I've listed this on Wikipedia:Third opinion.--Fallout boy 22:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

What's wrong with leaving it as it is now, where it reflects that a dispute exists, and the nature of the dispute? That all seems pretty verifiable and is what is done elsewhere on WP when there are reliable sources claiming contradictory things. ESkog | Talk 03:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
What's wrong is that he was obviously lying about his age, and has been caught. This dispute is very similar to the Nancy Reagan article, and whether she was born in 1923 or 1921. She originally claimed it was 1923, but she was discovered to have been lying. Even though she has never admitted to lying about her age (and likely never will) there is no mention of the 1923 date in that article because every source has changed to 1921. IMDb (typically the most trustworthy), and eand most others now say 1966.
"That all seems pretty verifiable and is what is done elsewhere on WP when there are reliable sources claiming contradictory things."
Which articles are you referring to? Every age dispute I know of has been resolved. This is the only article I've ever seen with an active age dispute like this.--Fallout boy 06:18, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not referring to any other age disputes I know of, but other situations with different sources. I agree with you that IMDb is probably the most reliable source on this simply because they have no interest in lying either way. I would oppose strongly any moves to have the article only mention the 1969 date. I just think it might be encyclopedic that he claims to have a different age than most sources document. ESkog | Talk 17:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
There is no hard evidence whatsoever. Every article on this stems back to a vague claim that he "admitted" his age was fabricated when re-signing a contract. Only an admission by Bautista or hard evidence is acceptable proof, because internet websites with no sources whatsoever are not reliable. A dispute exists, and your attempts to dismiss this dispute are pov. McPhail 19:11, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
There only seems to be a dispute because user:McPhail insists Batista's defunct website says he was born in 1969. If anything, the fact that he constantly has to label anyone who disagrees with him as a POV pusher is POV in itself.
On the subject of his website, where the 1969 date originated, it is suspicious every copy of the page has been removed from the internet archive [1] (only the webmaster of the archived site can do this) and that his spokepeople have made no effort to dismiss the 1966 date.
If anyone wants someconcrete evidence, I looked on zabasearch and there is a record of one 'David M. Bautista' born in 1966, and none in 1969.--Fallout boy 23:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
It's probably not as shady as it seems. Google still has the page cached. ;) --Jtalledo (talk) 01:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I looked at the "zabasearch" link but didn't see the page in question. I have no personal interest in pushing either date as true, but Wikipedia is about verifiable fact, not blindly accepting the beliefs of the majority without questioning their veracity. McPhail 18:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
As for the Zabasearch site, it certainly isn't the best source but I tried to search for "David M Bautista" as well and there was at least one entry with a 1969 birth year. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Batista has now stated that he was born in 1969, and is currently 37. [2], . This should be taken as fact unless actual proof that his DOB is anything otherwise can be provided. McPhail 17:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buddhist

Is there a source for the trivia bit about him being Buddhist? --Jtalledo (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Last i heard from the WWE that he is a practising Buddhist


there has not been anything saying that batista is a buddhist or is practising (Lil crazy thing 23:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC))

plus buddhist are supposed to be non-violent and wresling is anything but Trick man0112.179.231.30 23:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that he is a buddhist,lets see :

  • he was in a "rich man's" stable sporting expensive suits and "partying all night long"
  • Hes a professional wrestler,even though its staged,he still was in a hell in a cell match,ripping triple h up with barbed wire.
  • he has been (in kayfabe) accused of sexual harrasment,dont think he would agree to that if he was a buddhist. Lord revan 14:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that his actions in the WWE would prove or disprove Batista being a Buddhist. If one considers the WWE as acting (which it basically is), then Batista is no different than Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom, or Steven Segal (all who have played various roles where they committed violence upon others (particularly Steven Segal, who has done his own stunts at time)) Darquis 06:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

just wondering : is any of the guys you mentioned buddhist? just wondering. also, buddhism is after all EXTREMLY pacifist.Lord revan 18:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

According to List_of_Buddhists , all three men are buddhist, as well as a host of others. I just happened to choose them because of their roles in violent films. That doesn't by any means say that Batista is therefore Buddhist, merely that it is possible to play a role where violence is required and remain a Buddhist (assuming, of course, that the list is correct).Darquis 19:21, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

if that list is correct,those guys arent exactly very into their religion,its not like buddhists are supposed to spend the money that they do. just a comment Lord revan 15:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you how faithful they are in practicing their religion/philosophy, I don't really know much about it. Heck, for all I know, that information is inaccurate. But until I've seen/heard otherwise, I'll believe it to be true. Not that it really matters either way, this doesn't conclusively prove anything about Batista being (or not being) a Buddhist (merely that his being one is a possibility) Darquis 18:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
i doubt that hes a buddhist,he said in an interview that if he gets mad after losing a ps2 game he stomps on the controller and breaks it...would that be considered violent?and theres the whole thing with the when he was a bouncer he hit a customer thing.

I seriously doubt Batista is a buddhist. He seems as un-buddha like as you can possibly get. >=( Besides...about the self-defense thing...If you were a bouncer and your whole job for hours at a time was to throw out rude, drunk, unrowdy, yelling guys at bars, wouldnt you get kind of annoyed/tired of it after a while also? I think even if it wasnt self defense that it was just out of annoyance. Being a bouncer is a hard nerve-wracking, button-pushing kind of job. =P Though hitting someone is never right. Anyway. I put my vote on NOT buddhist. lol! --Cookie 02:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a question of whether or not his character, or even his choice of employment, adhere perfectly with Buddhist ideals. If he identifies himself as a Buddhist, then he should be considered one on his page. If there is a reference that can back up this point, great, if not, then we should take it off. It is not the job of this site to judge and condemn someone based on whether they fit the mold of what their religion entails. We don't question whether other celebrities are "actually Jewish" or "actually Christian" based on their behaviour. -- Dylagence 10)09, 21 March 2007

[edit] "Self-defense"

I work at a club where he used to work in DC and he had to leave there when he head-butted a customer and the guy busted his head on the sidewalk. I think "self defense" is based on an interview he gave in a previous issue of FLEX. But aside from having a pretty live temper, it also seems that he has a case of revisionist history.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.126.174.237 (talk • contribs).

I think we may need the official police report to truly decipher this mystery I will do my best to dig up the official article such as e-mail, call, write, whatever it takes.--Trick man01 08:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The way Kurt Angle won the title is completely irrelevant to his title history

It does not need to be their if they want that information they can easily look it up. His title reign should be followed by vacant the fact that Kurt Angle won the title is already in the article.


yes well unfortunatly if it is put that way many take it upon themselfs to put in Kurt Angle as the successior even though it is clearly put as Vacant... so us members of pro wrestling wikiproject put that information there to stop ppl wrong adding Kurt Angle --- Paulley 15:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
That doesn't make the information any more relevant, though. The edits can be reverted, and if people wonder why, they need look no further than the talk page. People editing in incorrect information isn't a valid reason for having irrelevant information on a bio. Darquis 06:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Info

Has Batista been completly stationary since his injury? Has he done absolutely nothing as of now?--Killswitch Engage 19:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

  • He showed up at a recent Smackdown! brand PPV, but other than that, as far as I know, he's just rehabbing. Darquis 19:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

and theres wm22...my guess would be sometime...domt know what my i.p. is...


[edit] "leviathan spine buster"

they acctually call it a leviathan spinebuster when he does it --Valf 16:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have heard it called the Leviathan Spinebuster at all. Maybe when he was in OVW they called it that. But not in the WWE. fishhead2100 Arpil 29, 2006 10:03PM (UTC)

Does it count if it's called that in WWE Day of Reckoning for the GameCube?--Killswitch Engage 19:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

not really WWE's game move names are well sometime based on reality but are slightly off for some reason or another --- Paulley 19:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


yeah u guys were right just spine buster but somone changed it to batista buster and its never ever been called that- its valf im not logged on tho

The name was used in the videogames, and was probably used in OVW when he had the Leviathan character. I'd say that validates it enough. Besides, if Edgecator is accepted as the name of Adam Copeland's kneeling inverted sharpshooter, despite the fact that at least 90% of its usage has been in the videogames, then what's wrong with Leviathan Spinebuster? -P.

Its used become it was officially called Edgecator in WWE programming and by Edge... the leviathan spinebuster name was never officially used in OVW. --- Paulley

[edit] the title info box

there was a box that said which title,who he beat for it and who beat him,and someone removed it.can someone add it back?i found it very useful.67.185.0.106 02:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

we had changed the format so that info would be placed along with the championship and accomplishments section... but it was removed at some point with out any notcing so i have re added it... it now features more info regarding who he won from and who he lost it to including dates and places --- Paulley

batista is also 300 lbs not 317 thats bullshit.

That was his weight around a year ago or so.I remember when he faced Kane in the "Pick your Poison" matches set out for him and HHH by then GM Eric Bischoff. The play-by-play anouncers were astonished at the fact that he actually weighed more than Kane at the time. I know this i useless just thought i would add it.User:Killswitch Engage

Batista weighed 313-317 before his injury, and he is now down to 290.

[edit] Booker Fight

"widely believed to be a work". First, that's a little NPOV. Second, most places I visit believe it was a shoot fight and they will just turn it into an angle(like they did with the Matt Hardy-Edge situation, it started as real and got turned into an angle). TJ Spyke 03:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, Booker won the title, and the #1 contender is kinda disputed, so they might call Batista it... which leads to the match at Summerslam.

[edit] eh?

hes really returning on july 4?i think this is more rumour....SPOV 22:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Nope sry ur wrong because on Batistas bio page on WWE.com it shows a promotional video saying that Batista will return on July 7.User:Killswitch Engage[3]

And also, it's July 3 Trosk 19:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No it says July 7. User:Killswitch Engage

Well, to TV July 7, July 3 officially.

[edit] Picture

Could someone PLEASE post a better picture? the one up right now is terrible User:Dubbya9

Yes, definetely. --Trosk 14:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. --Trosk 14:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Errr... did you read the comment in the info box? --Jtalledo (talk) 14:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and I had no idea what it meant. --Trosk 17:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The image I put was free use. --Trosk 17:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the copyright on that isn't sure. BrandenTang didn't specify the source of the image. And since it's a posed picture, it's probably a copyrighted WWE photo, not a free use one. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, the new image you posted is not fair use. First of all, that image is copyrighted be WWE. And second, the image has a copyright violation as the person responsible for uploading it claims to be the creator of the work, which is obviously not true. --3bulletproof16 17:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh my God! That awful picture just keeps coming back. Someone find a better picture than that disgusting out of focus mess that is there at the moment.
How does that look? Feedyourfeet 12:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
the picture is NOT a fair use image so therefore it has been removed again, look at what it says. do NOT replace fair use images with ones that are not Lil crazy thing 17:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Where does it say in Wikipedia policy that we cant replace a bad quality free use with a good quality fair use? Feedyourfeet 19:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Whats the general option around here, Do we need a new photo? Feedyourfeet 07:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] July 7

YESSSSS!!!! FINALLY BATISTA CLOBBERRED MARK HENRY'S FATASS!!! IM SO HAPPY IM CRYING! Slapslapslap 17:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thai?? Batista is Filipino. Look at his tattoo.

Look at his upper left arm tattoo .. It is obviously a flag of the Philippines. Please edit the information. Bautista is a commong lastname here in the Philippines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.208.210.97 (talk • contribs).

Reverted the erroneous edits by User:68.192.76.107. --Jtalledo (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

BATISTA IS HALF GREEK AND HALF FILIPINO SKRIBUL 19:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC) i thought he half spanish and half filipino (Wrestlingfan4life 03:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Ring rust

It is so obvious that batista had some ring rust-- it is very clear! He botched the Batista bomb and the spinebuster!Why cant it be added to the article?? --Fr3nZi3 01:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC) Because you do know everyone has to botch the move sometimes during their career? They can't be perfect all the time

I think it is a bit noticeable that when he was younger mainly around the beginning of his career that he was better at peforming his moves. Now, because of his surgery, he seems a bit weaker.

[edit] People screwing articles

Oh my god, i am sick and tired of people making fake things (ie: During the match batisa tried to force his penis in JBL's rectal cavity") People, this is a encyclopedia and not something to write that is sick just because you don't like the wrestler.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. This is one of those kinds of vandalisms that is just plain WRONG-not that the other vandalism isnt noticeable wrong, but this kind is just...the wrongest of the wrong, lol. Hopefully it will stop eventually-but since i just said that, i probably jinxed it or drew vandals to this page... vandals, back off, you cretins, lol!! =P J/K --Cookie 02:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC) yes damn it. I'm with both of you all the way

[edit] Breaking Kayfabe @ ECW

Is it worth mentioning that Batista and Big Show broke kayfabe after the ECW show by hugging each other? The video used to be on Youtube but it was quickly removed after WWE found it. Slapslapslap 18:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Here it is. Killswitch Engage[4]

Can you repost it? Please?? I loved watching that, it was freakin' hilarious for some reason, LMAO...--Cookie 03:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I WANNA see it, is it good?

[edit] FIX PAGE UP

We Need A GOOD PICTURE OF BATISTA AND PICTURE OF THE BATISTA BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!! if your looking for a good picture... go to ask.com click on images and it will give you a huge selection

Yes but as has been repeatedly pointed out, virtually none of them may be used on the Wikipedia. --Yamla 22:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weight loss

The "animal" seems to have lost a bunch of muscle during this injury and return to the ring - 30lbs by my reckoning - any news on what's up?

...and now seems to be piling it back on just as fast - at least according to his stats on this page...

Surgery does that to you. Also, since he tore his tricep and had surgery on it, he was most likely unable to work out for a good while AFTER surgery, until it was 100% definite that it was healed enough for that kind of strain. Not working out for that long can cause some muscle loss, and reduced size and weight. I'm not doctor or trainer or anything, but I'd put my money on one of those two. =P --Cookie 02:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC

I would also. I don't think he lost that much muscle, but he lost his "pump" and gained some fat, much like Chris Masters who also had to stay away from gym for rehab. Also people compare his muscle definition to his early days, or promo pics, not to his muscle definition shortly before his accident. That is also something that was done to Chris Masters. --81.175.152.191 14:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

But he said at No Way Out that he fixed already, and he waited a few more months.

Yes, i know, but it is still very hard to regain muscle once you've lost it. =) You have to pretty much start all over--not entirely, since you'll already HAVE some muscle, but you have to really strain it and all this other junk. It's difficult. --Cookie 17:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Did Mark Henry really injure Batista, or was it from before like Randy Orton where it was kayfabe. Because it never said it was legit.

Yes during a house show Henry injured Bastista —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulley (talk • contribs) 09:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] really dating?

Is batista really dating Rebecca from the diva search?

Yes. It is confirmed but some people think it's a "Rumor"..

"Batista is in the process of getting divorced and is now dating Rebecca from this year's Diva Search. A lot of the agents and workers on Smackdown have not been too impressed with Batista's work since his return. The majority feel like he's not even trying at this point." From WrestleZone.com

It is NOT confirmed the only time it will be confirmed is when batista or rebecca report it not newssites. Wrestling news sites have been wrong many times in the past with reports on who is dating who that is why it is why until batista or rebecca confirm it, it will be a rumour and rumours have no place in wikipedia articles on the facts rumours alot of the time turn out false. Lil crazy thing 19:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Until the words come out of Batista or Rebecca's mouths that they ARE going out, this is in fact a RUMOUR!! Just because the internet posted something does not mean it is necessarily true, and even if it is we need confirmation from one of the people involved!!! This is a RUMOUR as of right now, and does not belong on Wikipedia!! Just wait patiently. If they are dating, pictures will most likely turn up eventually, along with confirmation! If they arent dating, then nothing more will happen with this!! PLEASE stop putting this all over Batista and Rebecca's pages!!!! It is SO annoying!! I must have fixed this a dozen times by now. IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THIS, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED VANDALISM!!!!!!(note: i am not speaking to anyone in particular, except the people who continue to vandalize these pages!!) --Cookie 21:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture...

ok I have just added a pic of Batista performing a Batista bomb and a new profile pic SKRIBUL 19:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

i've removed it because 1. do not change the profile picture as it is a free image unless it is with another free image picture and 2. neither pictures have the correct copyrights so it will be removed and deleted. 80.47.159.132 11:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
acording to this its fine:

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   * to illustrate articles about the subjects of the images in question,
   * in the absence of a free alternative,
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Other use of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Fair use and Wikipedia:Publicity photos.

To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Image description page as well as the exact source or URL of the work.

SKRIBUL 19:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

How do you put in pictures?

[edit] The profile image

Stop making excuses for the worst picture ever posted on Wikipedia. Why is everyone who views this page fooled by the person in question's reasoning? The images that WWE release are PROMOTIONAL and are fair-use across Wikipedia (and any other websites). This person is using the 'free' nonsense as an excuse to feature his own photography work in what is supposed to be an article representative of someone else. This has gone on far too long and a decent picture that portrays Batista as he is intended to be seen by his company should take preference over personal wants. Everytime someone has tried to change the image (multiple times, see above and the history page) the user in question reverts it instantaneously. How have no other users taken objection to this? Mr.bonus 17:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

READ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_Bautista#Picture -- 3:16 17:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I've read that before, it doesn't justify this monopoly. Two users are adament about it and the thousands of others haven't bothered to question it. After someone else moaned about its quality the user tried to edit it and by brightening the image it came back badly blurred and with multi-coloured artifacts all over it. "How's that?" they said. Awful, that's how that is. It just proves it's of too low quality if it couldn't even be edited properly. Look at the hundreds of other wrestler pages, they all have WWE released pictures because they are the best ones to use. And they are allowed on Wikipedia no matter how many times you try and avoid that fact. Just to prove that this is nothing more than vanity, the image has the creator's name in its filename...Mr.bonus 18:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I support this, Ive already posted the rules from WWE for Wikipedia above when I changed the pic although it was changed back almost instantly and no comment was written next to the copyright rules...
Somebody has brought this up on 3 seperate occassions in discussion and has been changed more times. I am not the only one that wants it changed yet this user is the only person that wants it kept. Mr.bonus 14:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khan, or Kahn?

I have read all over the net that Batista's past name is spelled "Kahn", however on Wikipedia it is spelled "Khan"! So my question is, which spelling is correct, and if it is in fact spelled "Kahn" then should I fix it? --Cookie 08:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

According to Batista's Official site, It is Khan

Please sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ) Thanks. And I've read everywhere on the 'net that it's actually "Kahn", not "Khan". --Cookie 03:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC) if it's khan on big dave's web site than the right answer is khan. Batista was the one who made that site

[edit] ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

In the past two days, i must have changed batista's height-or seen it be changed-at least 5 or 6 times, im not kidding. Enough is enough. On www.wwe.com , if you go to his profile, he is clearly 6'5. Not 6'4 or 6'3. 6'5!!! Stop changing the height, whoever is doing it. I'm getting SICK of it. Is there a way we can warn and/or block the person(s) doing this??--Cookie 07:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

WWE.com stats also say Andre is 7 ft 4 in. They usually are kayfabe stats, with one of two exceptions.(Halbared 07:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

I dont think any fans have actually measured Dave themselves, therefore we will have to assume his height on WWE.com is correct until some fan takes a measuring stick and hits him up. >=-( Please stop changing it. Please?--Cookie 08:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at celebheights.com(Halbared 08:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

So what. WHAT,this site measured Dave Batista THEMSELVES? Not sure if i buy that. Still. His height is the one as listed on WWE.com, not celebheights.com!!!!

Wiki protocol is not to slavishly adhere to WWE.com, as you'll see from manty superstar bios?(Halbared 08:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

Still, apparently you have an issue with vandalizng MANY wrestlers' heights, therefore this will NOT be tolerated any longer. PLEASE stop vandalizing wrestler's heights! WWE.com is a better source than an unverified thrid party site. If you wish to convert the heights, you should ask on this Talk Page which height should be used. Thank you. --Cookie 19:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Height warning

I did not break the 3RR. I am removing what can now be considered vandalism. If you revert the height back to whatever that third party site says (anything other than 6'5) you are vandalizing. I have changed it as much as i can, but this is getting annoying. I have even added a warning and you STILL continue to change it. If you wish to have the height changed to whatever that third party site says, discuss it on this Talk Page first!!. Thank you. (Note: If anyone sees Batista's height being anything other than 6'5 and it has not been discussed on the talk page, PLEASE change it back.)--Cookie 19:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how a content dispute can be described as vandalism. In fact I know it can't. Rich Farmbrough, 21:03 1 September 2006 (GMT).

No, the LAST time it was edited it was vandalism cuz i put a warning up. Content disputes are not vandalism, i know, but i thought if you put a warning up it was then considered vandalism after that? What i think we need is to have a discussion on this. In fact, i'm going to create one. --Cookie 22:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I have decided, thanks to another users' suggestion, to make an RFC on this issue, seeing as we cannot reach an agreement on this. I want whichever site that is chosen to be the ONLY site we use so that there will be no more conflicts and so we can avoid an edit war, such as the one with Rey Mysterio's height. Please give your comments below, following the instructions on the RFC page. Thank you, --Cookie 02:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third Party Site or WWE?

We are currently having a content dispute on this article. This is the question. Please state your opinion on what should be done. Perhaps we can get a moderator of some sort to make it official. Should Batista's height be the one recorder on WWE.com-6'5-or the one on the other third party-type sites-6'4-? I think WWE.com is more believable than this other site, since it is what his height has been based on for quite some time now. However, others are saying differently. Please put forth your comments/opinions on this matter and hopefully i can get an admin/mod of some kind to sort the matter out. Thank you, --Cookie 22:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

On wwe.com there is not only some height mistakes, but weight ones also.

I'm really late to this, but 3rd party sites are better by Wikipedia's policies. Seeing as Bautista is a WWE wrestler, WWE.com is a primary source. Wikipedia prefers secondary sources to primary ones; therefore, 3rd party sites are preferable. -- THL 21:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC (Request For Comments)

This is a dispute about which site information should be used for this article. A few different users are claiming Dave Batista's height to be other than 6'5, as listed on WWE.com. They are using a different site which is saying Batista is 6'4. We have not been able to reach a compromise on this, but we need to in order to avoid editing wars. Should Batista's height be the one as listed on WWE.com, or on this other site which says it is 6'4? Link to 6'4 site (celebheights.com): http://www.celebheights.com/s/Dave-Batista-2754.html Link to 6'5 site (WWE.com): http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/batista/profile/ --Cookie 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Could someone provide the links here to both sites, preferrably to the actual location where the the heights are given. This will make it much easier to sort out which site is the more reliable source. GRBerry 03:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Celebhieghts has ppl endlessly poring over ppl's height to try and achieve a concensus. There are quite a few wrestlers on there naturally because of the way wrestlers heights are often greatly exagerated. Batista himself say's, "It could be that I'm 6-5, 300 pounds", which sounds like he is being deliberately vague, to maintai his greater size. Whereas WWE.com still list Hogan as 6 ft 7 in (when he himself say's he is 6 ft 4 in) and Andre the Giant as 7 ft 4 in. Wiki wrestling protocol is not to slavishily repeat the inforation for wrestlers stats, but to try and determine the correct height, celebheights is a good tool to use for this.(Halbared 06:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC))


I personally think Celebheights is not a recognizable site compared to WWE. Here's what i think we ought to do-but not necessarily what should, needs, or has to be done. List BOTH heights and maybe state that "according to WWE.com, he is 6'5, according to Celebheights.com, he is 6'4." Maybe we could do that, and then it would appeal to BOTH sides of this argument and end any disputes. I am not sure if listing two heights would be allowed, but it might be a possibility if Wikipedia would allow it to happen. --Cookie 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

WWE use kafaybe heights and celebheights try to achieve legit heights through comparisons.(Halbared 21:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC))

Ok, Celebheights may be legit to YOU, but we have no proof of that! I think we need to list both heights but i dont know if that can be done. Someone needs to ask about this, which i am more than willing to do. We have NO proof that Celebheights is legit, whereas we do with WWE. (Note to halbared-i do see what you meant about the height/weight warning. I apologize, i did not realize it was stating it as official. My bad, you were right, i removed it as of right now. Thank you for poiinting this out to me.)--Cookie 22:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You have the proof that people debate and come to the consensus...which is what happens in wiki. You didn't remove the wanring I did. Now I havew altered it to make it similar to other warnings aboot height/weight.(Halbared 08:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC))
Ok, now that I've looked at them I can answer. If you look at our guideline on reliable sources, it says that Wikipedia is not a reliable site because 1) anyone can edit it and 2) we don't have pre-publication fact-checking mechanisms. The same is true of celebhieghts, so it is also not a reliable source, and shouldn't be used to support anything. The WWE site doesn't have the same problem, as it isn't an anyone can edit. But I don't see evidence that it is a highly reliable source either. In short - don't use celebheights, and don't be very comfortable about the WWE site. GRBerry 02:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok then. The official height for Dave Batista, due to the fact that Celebheights.com is not a reliable source, is 6'5, as recorded on WWE.com. Please do NOT change the height to anything other than 6'5. The matter has been resolved, if you look at WP:RS. Thank you, --Cookie 02:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

If you look above there is no evidence for WWE.com being reliable, in fact the opposite is true, with the bios of Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Kane and others all being wildly exaggerted. That is evidence of WWE.com being highly unreliable. But because it's a 1 inch difference I'll leave the height alone for now. Also usually these let these things mull over a week, not in one day, you cannot say it is sorted right now.(Halbared 08:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC))

But you know what Halbared? I dont think we ought to trust users' information who continuously falsely report users for sockpuppetry and vandalism. You have done this to both me and DXRaw, and besides, i am not setting the WWE's height in stone. Come back to me with liable proof and i will consider changing the height. --Cookie 21:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Smallville

Guys i was on these website and it say that Batista will be on smallville 5th episode in season 6th [Supermike/supermike]

True. Although I heard 7th episode...

--The role Batista will be playing on the Smallville series is a villain from the Phantom Zone. He'll be in the ninth episode of this season, airing during the November sweeps week.[supermike/supermike] http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=160197042

Hmm. I saw that on WWE.com so it's obviously official. Unless WWE failed at news again...(Lol, i LOVE www.YTMND.com...) =) Anyway, i didnt know he would be a bad guy!!! How sexy!!

Let me just announce... I will, as of now, be a Smallville fanatic. =P Hehehe. Batista can do wonders for me, lol! --Cookie 04:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

What date is that coming on? I really dont wanna miss it.Katie 15:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weight Training

I heard that he started weight training somewhere around the age of 9, 10 or 11. Is it true & if it is, should we add it into his profile? Son of Kong

Hey, Son of Kong, I heard that somewhere too! I dont know if it would be worth adding it to his profile, though. I'm not sure what relevancy it has to the article. If it is found to be true it could be put under the 'personal information' section, perhaps? --Cookie 04:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Turns out that it isn't true. I read through a Smackdown! magazine I have that was released around the time Batista debuted & he said that he started working out in High School. Son of Kong

LOL Well close enough... We were pretty dang close. =P About 4 years off. =) --Cookie 03:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Pic

K, we need a new pic. Batista is still not the world champ. We can re-post it if he wins it back.

I agree. It needs to be changed not only because he doesn't have the title, but also because it is a really bad pic. its so blurry, we need to find another one.Katie 02:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Please sign your name so we can see who posted! It's Wikipedia Etiquette! Lol. Naw, I think we need a new pic too. Not only is it inaccurate but it is horrible, too. The only problem seems to be we cannot find an image that is NOT free use. We had an issue with this before, if i remember correctly. >=-( --Cookie 03:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Five times now... -- bulletproof 3:16 04:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've had enough of the complaining now. I've changed it now to another free image from the public domain photos. It's not exactly perfect, but it is an improvement over the last one. I hope you'll like this one instead.--Oakster (Talk) 21:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I wasnt complaining. It was an inaccurate photo, 'cause Dave isnt the champ anymore. <=( But anyway he looked all blurry, though i suppose it was still clear who was in it. =P I'd recognize that animal anywhere, hehehe. Sorry if you thought i was complaining. I didnt intend it to be so. But i love the pic now. It's s-e-xxx-y!!! So thank you, Oakster!! =P --Cookie 14:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Nah, I was pretty much joking over the complaining. Sorry about that too. --Oakster (Talk) 16:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Well, good job on the picture! The only issue is one of his ears looks odd, but oh well, he is still SEXXXY!! =P Thank you, Oakster for your contributions lol! =D --Cookie 02:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Jr???

"David Michael Bautista Jr" He is the SECOND David Michael Bautista?? I must not have read that on the article before!!! He's really the second? =O I'm stunned. I guess i should read more carefully... Hmm. --Cookie 01:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

  • yes it is true i've added the link on the page to the article where it states it. Wouldnt surprise me if it get removed though with someone claiming it isnt enough proof.Lil crazy thing 19:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh i wasnt saying it wasnt true!! I was just saying i was surprised. I do that alot when i'm reading; i'll go back througj and find something i missed that shocks me. I do it with movies too, lol!

I certainly hope, though, (this is a comment on that article with the proof of Batista being the second Dave Batista...) that when Batista met "the late Curt Henning", he was not "The Late Curt Henning" right then. That would be sad, Dave met a DEAD superstar--when he was dead. Lol!! =P --Cookie 02:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] quotes

do we have a quote box to go to wikiquote, for Batista or not?LindsieandLance 06:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

He doesn't have a page on Wikiquote. -- THLCCD 06:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] personal life

Is it true that Dave Batista is divorce or seperated? You can answer that at my disscussion.LindsieandLance 16:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Whoever put that vandalism in is not cool, in fact, they are an asshole.

WP:DENY -- THLCCD 01:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page move to "Dave"

Moved it to "Dave Bautista". While "David" may be his legal name, he's known as Dave Batista onscreen (whenever his first name is mentioned.) Sure, let's spell his last name correctly, but Dave makes far more sense. Sort of like Dave Finlay rather than David Finlay (wrestler). Bssc81 19:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I personally think it should be as is his legal name, but I understand why the move was made and it is acceptable, so by no means do I wish it to be changed. I just dont agree with it. --Cookie 00:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

There is an issue with this now. When you type in Dave Batista, no page comes up...you just get the search page. This is a problem...a minor one, but still, it wasnt there till this page was moved! --Cookie 08:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Fixed DXRAW 08:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proof

I have proof now that Batista's past name was spelled "Kahn" and not "Khan". Take a look at his official site, www.demon-wrestling.com , and look at the FAQ's. He says his past ring names and he spells it "Kahn". =) This wasnt ever an issue but I just wanted to post this to say it's now true, lol. His Kahn character was sooooo sexy =P --03:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muscle Buster

I wanted to know if I should add the Muscle Buster to Batista's signature movelist sense he's been using it lately. I mean I've seen him use it on Finlay twice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JamX3K (talk • contribs).

It's not in there? I added it before; guess someone took it out. I'll add it again. -- THLRCCD 04:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What a mess..

Whoever made this page recently needs a good lesson in Wikipediatronomy. It's a bloody mess! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tommyhaych (talk • contribs) 17:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC). lol! (Wrestlingfan4life 03:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC))

Who is the stupid who changed "Batista" to "Batister" in the article?

its a repeating vandal who has continued to do the smae think for a week or so now -- Paulley

Did someone really do that? I havent seen anyone change his name to Batister...I'll keep an eye out just in case. --Cookie 05:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New picture...

The new picture (I didnt add it...) looks awful to me. Sorry, but I mean, you cant really SEE him 'cause of the lighting. No face or body really, just the belt and that's it. Shouldnt we be able to, you know, see Batista?? --Cookie 02:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] previously dropped storyline

Does anyone know what the original plans were for the Mark Henry/Melina/Batista sexual harassment storyline that had just started when Batista was injured and had to forfeit the title? And how much longer his title reign was planned to be? If so, should we add that to the article? Other Wiki articles break kayfabe with similar information...Gamer313 20:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say "not" since as it didn't happen it's only speculation. --Dave. 22:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] smackdown sprint vs beat the clock sprint

On the final (recap) SmackDown! episode of 2006, Teddy Long says the tournament is called the SmackDown! Sprint. However, on the first episode of 2007, he calls it the Beat The Clock Sprint. User Dave has changed Beat The Clock to SmackDown Beat The Clock. What does everyone think we should officially call it in the article? Gamer313 18:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually i changed it to "SmackDown Beat the Clock Sprint" as thats what WWE.com articles seem to be calling plus i rewrote it so the aspect that it isnt a standard tournament is also understood --- Paulley

[edit] Worth mentioning?

Think it's worth mentioning that Batista was with John Cena and Ashley Massaro for the Extreme Makeover: Home Edition this Sunday (January 14th)? I'm not sure if it's in the article yet--or even if it's worth adding. But he and the other 2 superstars who helped seemed really happy about helping the family out, so would it be a good add? --Cookie 05:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


Sorry about the comment earlier (I just sad NO). You could add it but i think that people are more interested in his in ring achievments than a makeover. But you could add it i guess.

Please sign your comments...and instead of just saying 'no' maybe you could actually leave people an explanation as to why not...'no' is kind of vague and unhelpful. Thanks. --67.185.26.89 05:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the WM match not worth noting?

I mean, c'mon. It's WrestleMania! Freddy Krueger 00:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Any future matches, announced or otherwise, are not allowed in wrestling articles per WP:PW policy. This is an extension of the Wikipedia policy stating that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 00:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you should add details about WrestleMania 23. this is going to be one of batista's biggest matches

I think we shouldn't until after WrestleMania 23 because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor a dedicated wrestling site. The WrestleMania match will be added AFTER WrestleMania in accordance with the WP:PW policies and style guide. Bmg916 Speak to Me 21:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I know it's close to the event, but it is already noted he is in a feud with the Undertaker. The article could at least state that they have a scheduled matchup at WrestleMania 23. ---- GIGGAS2 05:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

No, in accordance with WP:PW, it can't. I really wish people would get over this. Bmg916 Speak to Me 12:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to find where it talks about what you're referring to. Can you tell me where to look? ---- GIGGAS2 17:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Under Style Guide, then under warnings: (DO NOT ADD WEEK BY WEEK EVENTS, RUMOURS OR SPECULATION. THIS INCLUDES ANNOUNCED MATCHES THAT HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A NEWS SITE BUT AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPAEDIA. Please see the articles "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" and "Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles" for more information.) WrestleMania 23, at this point in time, falls under announced matches that have not yet occurred. Bmg916 Speak to Me 17:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand. Wouldn't this mean that for the wrestling PPVs, they wouldn't be allowed to post the card until it's already happened? I also don't see how saying "Batista has a scheduled matchup with the Undertaker at WrestleMania 23" turns Wiki into a news page. Wouldn't that also mean Shawn Michael's page will have to change because of this sentence?

Michaels won a triple threat match on RAW a few weeks later to become the #1 contender to Cena's WWE Championship at WrestleMania 23, leading to a breech of trust between tag team partners as they successfully defended their titles against numerous teams.

And what about this sentence on the Undertaker's page?

He is scheduled to face Batista at Wrestlemania 23

I'm sorry for dragging this out, but I'm still kind of confused, as is probably quite obvious by now. ---- GIGGAS2 20:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as the wrestling PPVs question goes, I have the same exact one, so I'd ask over at the WP:PW talk page about that. Thank you for bringing the other sentences in the other articles to my attention as they shouldnt have been there and I have removed them. Bmg916 Speak to Me 20:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't apply to the PPV articles since the guideline was created for wrestler articles, not the PPV articles. TJ Spyke 21:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heel or face?

Is Dave a heel or a face right now? I have no clue. And yes this does apply to the article because I was wondering...if he did turn heel at No Way Out, which I was unable to order, then should we put that in the article? I didnt see it there...is he still face? --67.185.26.89 06:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

This is not a messageboard, but he is a face still (he explained why he spinebustered Undertaker on SD this week). TJ Spyke 23:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Ahem. I said, "And yes this does apply to the article because I was wondering...if he did turn heel at No Way Out, which I was unable to order, then should we put that in the article?"

I was not using this as a message board. I was asking if he was heel or face and if it was worth adding to the article...=) --67.185.26.89 03:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't apply to the article, despite you saying it does. TJ Spyke 21:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrestlemania 23

Dave lost the title to Mark "Undertaker" Callaway, people should be able to talk about recent happenings in his character Kane Freak8 03:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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