User talk:Darkfred

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Contents 1 Found a hitch 2 Thanx for your help 3 CHAT Storm!!! 4 Bruce Metzger 5 Canons in general 6 stubs 'n' such 7 Photo finish 8 UKCOTW: History of the Orkney Islands 9 Heinz-Klaus Metzger 10 Warning? 11 Noitall 12 Islamicisation/ization 13 About Crop Circles 14 Low rent district 15 Welcome to VandalProof! 16 you best check yoself 17 Re : Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political Abrogationism 18 VandalProof 1.2 Now Available 19 pilotguy 20 Sign your Talk page comments 21 Is Darkfred gay? 22 Joegilbert16 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) 23 Thanks for even more tips 24 Live and Learn (or get deleted) 25 Thanx to you, I think I have a good working draft 26 A. N. Other 27 crop circle 28 curses! Foiled again! 29 Great move! 30 Schweizerhaus 31 Something you might be interested in 32 US Laws

[edit] Found a hitch

Turns out someone had a Schweizerhaus (Vienna Project restaurant)in the en.Wiki as "Schweizerhaus, Vienna" but it only has a couple of paragraphs, as opposed to the one page I got off de.Wiki. I feel some trepidation about plunging into what's there, and then I have the problem of getting the extra jpg's over also. Be bold? A bit annoying is that the Vienna Project suggested (at least to me)that the entry shoulda been "Schweizerhaus" as it is in the de. (tildes in front or behind?) DFWMike 01:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)DFWMike

For the record most people put their additions at the bottom of the talk page rather than the top, but I don't really mind. Don't let the existance of an article in that spot deter you from doing the transaltion, especially if you think that you can do a better job at it, or if it is only a stub. As for the name, a redirect can be created from one name to another, this will cause all searches for various names to end at the same page. Or the article can be move to the new page, however I believe that you must have a minimum time on wikipedia before you can move articles. I would be happy to do it for you. For the time being perhaps you could create your version of the article in User:DFWMike/Scweizerhaus. This will create it in your own personel space, you could then copy it to the article when you are happy with the results. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 02:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx for your help

DFWMike here. Thanx for the advice. I'm a retired mainframe programmer, so I'm a bit slow on the uptake here. So, you go to the German article and click on it. Does it ask you where to put it? Are you a German translator? You're in Europe judging by your time signature. 14 Sep 06 15:00 in Dallas/Foat Wuth.

I am actually in DFW right now, was in europe for most of my wiki history though. On the german encyclopedia you will find edit links (seite bearbeiten). Just click this link of the page you wish to translate and you will see the wikicode in the edit window. Select the text in the entire window and copy it using your computers text copy command. To create a new article on english wikipedia enter then name (in english) on the search box. If the article does not already exist you will be given an option to create it. Copy the text in here and begin translating. Or you can translate it offline and just past the new english into the article. You should probably familiarize yourself with wikicode some more before you begin a big project. Click edit on a few pages and see how the look in wikicode. I have added the welcome template to your talk page, it includes a lot of helpful information. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 20:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC):Darkfred, thanx. Printed off your instructions. I'll give it a try. Won't do "translate this page"! Got my BA from UTA in German in 2000 and did grad work in German and linguistics. Learned German for real in mid-1970s during a two-year army stint in Berlin (due to learning Russian in language school). Appreciate your patience. DFWMike

14 Sep 06 20:04.

[edit] CHAT Storm!!!

I thought the point of wiki is that people get to edit it? what happens if I edit it often and b****es like you keep reverting it? What repurcussions would I face? jw. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.220.219 (talk • contribs) 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruce Metzger

In particular, I saw your changes to the Bruce Metzger article. They're much better. I was working with some fairly limited resources when I started the page, which is why it was the way it was. Thanks for fixing it. --Scimitar ^parley 13:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks, this is my first edit, I was inspired to do it mostly because i share a lot of the same beliefs with him but somewhat resented the implication that he is a fringe outsider. I tried to curve it more to center without adding my own POV its somewhat difficult, especially on religion. Please don't take any offense at my somewhat hasty Talk page explanation. --Darkfred 14:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

• Oh, none taken. I saw that it was a pretty early edit for you, and I figured you just weren't sure where I was coming from. As you commented on the talk page, the google hits are fairly biased, and I was mostly using them, since I don't have a ton of familiarity with Metzger's work. Nice job on the article, and I hope you stick around and enjoy Wikipedia. --Scimitar ^parley 15:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Canons in general

Can anyone comment on the talk:Canon (priest). I believe we should probably delete the redirects and move the info from the base topics into the MUCH referenced individual topics (now 2 stubs and 1 redirect). There is enough info for large articles on each, particularly listing of orders.

--Darkfred 13:47, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

• Be Bold!. I think you can probably get away with making those changes; they seem appropriate. All the best. --Scimitar ^parley 16:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] stubs 'n' such

Thanks~ ill try to get the stub thing right next time. Ketrovin 14:00, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the article and such, sucha nmow glarinly obvious s[elling error would have been, well,kindof embarassing in the long run Ketrovin 14:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

• No problem, thanks for contributing --Darkfred 14:10, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• BTW you can see a full list of stub types at WP:WSS/ST --Darkfred 14:12, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

--Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 12:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photo finish

Yo Darkfred. Good idea on starting a photo finish article on the reference desk; I've started it, but I suck at this kind of thing, so if you feel you could lend some knowhow, that would be great. Proto t c 11:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I've also nomiated it for a collaboration, as it's a pretty important (and potentially really good) article to only be a stub. Feel free to go vote for it. Link's on the talk page of photo finish. :) Proto t c 13:31, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• hi, I am new at Winkipedia, so i don't know if I am contacting you properly, I have an authorization of the autor of the image I uploaded so it don't have to be Deleted. How can I send it in?talk to me

[edit] UKCOTW: History of the Orkney Islands

Just to let you know, an article you've voted for, has became this week's UKCOTW - History of the Orkney Islands. Come and help out! Cheers -- Joolz 21:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Heinz-Klaus Metzger

As I do quite a bit of the German-English translations, I took the liberty to make a slight rewrite of your text, especially the parts you couldn't translate, feel free to browse, and happy editing :) Lectonar Talk to me

You're welcome, and I forgot to mention: nice work you did there, and, IMHO, it wasn't that easy..and feel free to involve me :) Lectonar 05:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Warning?

I call bullshit, what user page have I "vandalized"? Illinoisian 16:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Noitall

Given a regrettable situation on a WikiProject in the past, I am not in a good position to assist in a constructive RFC process. While I don't disagree that it might be helpful, I can promise that with me involved as a cosigner it would not. I'd note that already the anger is coming out of the woodwork on my talk page. This is why these processes always fail - people just can't distance themselves. Hipocrite - «Talk» 12:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Islamicisation/ization

This term has been used for a number of years, and frequently turns up in articles, debates and media in some parts of the world, esp. Europe and Australia. --MacRusgail 15:18, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

• I don't care who made the word up originally or if it is a media neologism or someone else's. There is a better way to say it. 'Spread of Islam' has 1 less syllable and is easier to pronounce and understand. Even Islamification, which is pronouncable. -icisation is just pretentious.

Try pronouncing it with all of the letters. Do it now out loud. The media may write Islamicisation, but I doubt the say it. Or at least shorten it to Islami-zation (which technically doesn't even mean the same thing). Its still a Pseudo-latin derivative combination of islam and the -ic, ize(greek), -ate and -ion suffixes. Mmmm suffix stack. Slightly better then Islamosythesis but not something that someone will bring up chatting around the watercooler. Like "Bennifer", "New Paradigms", "Flipfloppers" and "Proactive", have you ever actually used these words, outside of the context of making fun of them? sure the media uses them a lot it doesn't make them real English, come back in 50 years.

[Deleted a big speel on the literal translation of all the suffixes, this post is already too big]

--Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 17:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I can pronounce "Islamicisation" fine. That's a non-argument, unless you have a lisp maybe. No more difficult than "Islamification". Nothing "pretentious" about it. Again, a non-argument. "Television" is also a "bad" pseudo-Latin derivative. It's still used. You probably use it too, without bothering to check that up.

I suspect you haven't spent a lot of time in Europe. I may be wrong, but it is a term in common use here. And not just in the media. Funny thing is that "proactive" is used too. I don't know about the other three - but that doesn't mean they aren't used somewhere or other. "Flip-flops" are a kind of sandals where I come from. But perhaps you haven't travelled round much, or you would have come across these terms elsewhere. --MacRusgail 19:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

p.s. I know most of the roots of these words. I did Latin and Ancient Greek at school for all the good it did me!!!

I live in europe, I have never heard Islamicisation or seen it in print, I am taking your word for it that it even exists in that form. And believe me I have been listening for it since I first read that AFD. 550 google hits total hardly puts this in the same category as the word Television. Heh, that doesn't even put it in the range of randomly smashed keys; "zxcvnm" 14,000 hits. (I had to try a few times to actual find a short random group under 50k). --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 21:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Well I've seen and heard it plenty of times. For what it's worth all of these words are in fairly common use too (whether you use the "s" or "z" spelling is another argument, I use the "s") - industrialisation, commercialisation, Anglicisation. Islamicisation is a parallel form to these. --MacRusgail 13:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Fred, reply on Talk:Chaffinch - I agree with you on Islamicisation for what it's worth. jimfbleak 10:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

See my arguments above. In short, this word is: in regular use, pronouncable, has parallel forms and is, if a "neologism", one that goes back some years. --MacRusgail 13:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About Crop Circles

I see you've been doing a lot of work on that article. Good on you! (User:Stvjns's last change went through while I was doing my edit. When I clicked "Show Changes", I was a bit upset.) And now I am going to unwatch the article and tip-toe quietly away ... Chris Chittleborough 07:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

We edited User talk:Stvjns simultaneously. Thanks for contacting an admin; a block for him under WP:3RR looks likely. --BillC 22:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• I posted an alert on WP:AN/3RR, as strictly speaking it's a 3RR violation, not simple vandalism. --BillC 22:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I have yet to discover how someone with expertise on a subject can correct misinformation, even radical misinformation, on a wikipedia project entry without the misinformation reappearing, apparently due to someone's ignorance of the subject, or a willful desire to mislead the audience. Is there a protocol for solving these sorts of problems?-- Stvjns 23:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Low rent district

I'll look into it, thanks for the heads-up. (ESkog)^(Talk) 23:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the original version was also an attack page mostly about how some guy makes $1.35 playing low-stakes poker all day or other nonsense like that - the vandalism was simply a blanking of this to replace it with another attack. (ESkog)^(Talk) 23:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Darkfred! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. AmiDaniel (Talk) 03:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you best check yoself

mr doss is a real teacher at ranney. (Personal attack removed). i go to ranney. this is fact.
I think people would want to know this FACT about ranney, if they were researching it. youre a krik. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.220.219 (talk • contribs) 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• You vandalized, I reverted your changes. I have no more to say to you. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 15:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Just for your future information, {{RPA}} exists for when you want to edit out personal attacks. Hbackman 00:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• Cool thanks --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 00:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political Abrogationism

Use {{deleteagain}}. Anyway, I've settled this article already. :) - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 01:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof 1.2 Now Available

[edit] pilotguy

im sort of suprised he didn't threaten to/actually block you, consider yourself lucky--205.188.116.137 22:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually PilotGuy has been very rational in all of my dealings with him. I guess he just got exasperated with the previous war when he locked the article. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 00:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sign your Talk page comments

Hello! I notice that you have placed a comment on WP:AIV but forgotten to sign it. Don't forget to attribute your comments with four tildes, ~~~~. It is easy to forget this, I do it myself sometimes! Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

not only did I manage to press the wrong key and submit before signing, but I then proceeded to accidentally sign it twice on the next edit *sigh* not my day. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 21:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Darkfred gay?

Hey Darkfred, just wondering if u are gay (not that there's anything wrong with that - i have other gay friends - nice guys all of them ). I just want to see if my wiki-gaydar is working... The Kasparov of Sheshbesh 04:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No, but thanks for the interest, I am flattered! --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 04:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess you are probably refering to my vandalism and spam patrolling of the haut couture articles. I am not really that interested in fashion, they merely seemed to recieve little attention and are often vandalized. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 04:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joegilbert16 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log)

Hi, can you post a link to the original banned user's contribs on the Administrators' intervention against vandalism page? I can't find the user.--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 15:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for even more tips

That's a good idea about typing in my stuff on DFWMikeSchweizerhaus. I'll do that this evening and then let you take a gander at it, and you can also compare my translation to the original on de. (We are going for readability, right?) Then, if all goes well, I'll be glad to let you scoot it across to the en.Wikipedia. DFWMike 18:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)DFWMike

[edit] Live and Learn (or get deleted)

Well, Darkfred, I have learned to put a db-reason at the top of my work page cuz I got cleaned out earlier this evening. I'm about halfway thru it if you want to look at it under DFWMike/Schweizerhaus. DFWMike 02:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)DFWMike

sorry to hear it, I put some information on how to avoid this on your talk page, and moved your page to User space so it won't get deleted again. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 02:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx to you, I think I have a good working draft

Darkfred, I thought I had it moved to the new location! Did you put the WIP thing in at the top? At any rate, I have the text pretty well in there now. At your convenience, check it out and move it to the real deal, if it be Wiki-worthy. Of course, I don't have the pictures or the weblinks at the bottom in there. I'll get a real kick when I see my humble efforts in the en.Wikipedia! Thanx again for the steady guidance. Wonder how many potential contributors get discouraged after only a few futile attempts? DFWMike 05:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)DFWMike

Yes I did add the WIP template at the top of the page. This is the best method to avoid deletion. You are right about the steep learning curve. Although I try to help, I often see new users give up in frustration when their work is deleted or edited, for some reason they do not understand. Things like the WIP template take some time to learn about. In the future if you want to check out who changed an article you can click the history link at the top.

Because of the huge volume of edits on wikipedia which are nonsense or vandalism, an administrator may only have a few seconds to determine if your page is vandalism or a real page, before moving on to the next one.

My german is not good enough for a translation accuracy check. I will ask one of the native german editors to look at it. But I will check the formatting when I get a chance, perhaps today. After this you could simply cut and paste the article to the new location, it does not need moving at this point because there is really no history to preserve and an article already exists at the target location. Thanks for your enthusiasm and williness to work despite your setbacks. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 15:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A. N. Other

This is not really the stuff for the AfD page itself, so I'm putting it here instead, but I can assure you that "AN Other" (usually written, in the common British English way, with no punctuation or spaces between the initials) is a very common "placeholder" for sporting squads - eg "Squad additions (3): JN Smith, WT Taylor and AN Other". That sort of thing. I don't know how old the usage is, but it's certainly no neologism: I've seen it in newspapers since the 1980s at least, and it might be decades older than that. Loganberry (Talk) 15:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

This still does not mean the article is encyclopedic. And discussion of this sort is usually done on the AFD page. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 15:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough; I'll copy it there, with the appropriate amendments. Apologies for not knowing proper procedure. Loganberry (Talk) 16:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] crop circle

I thought a nasty, months-long debate I was involved in over iridology was the height (or maybe depth) of debate over patent foolishness ... then I added crop circle to my watchlist. Sigh ... - DavidWBrooks 16:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] curses! Foiled again!

Darkfred, hard for me to believe, but the "system" has deleted my work at DFWMike:Schweizerhaus yet again!! What's up with this regime? DFWMike 16:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)DFWMike.

The article is still available at User:DFWMike/Schweizerhaus, with all changes intact. I suspect the redirect was delete from my move to userspace. When a page is moved what is left behind is called a redirect, it is sort of like a detour which takes you to the new location from the old. Also, (nearly) all deletions are done by humans, so if it was deleted you can complain to the person who deleted it. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 17:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great move!

Thanks, Darkfred! How nice of you! I feel like I'm practically a lexicographer! And there I was singing lustily along with Brave Combo at the Addison Oktoberfest while you were working! Though I've used Wikipedia and Wiki.de in the past and had even looked at their translation needs before, I really got more interested after reading an article about the organization in last month's Atlantic Monthly. I realize also that I "lost" my article becuz of faulty punctuation, using a colon after my username instead of the slash. DFWMike 05:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)DFWMike

• *sigh* All my friends went to addison oktoberfest, but i had to work, did slip in some wiki time though. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 08:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schweizerhaus

I took a look an made some little tweaks and links; good work everyone. Btw, I deleted the subpage. Cheers. Lectonar 15:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

   Thanks to both y'all! I have been unblocked! The hazards of being an AOL user in this game, huh?  BTW, the Vienna Project mentioned putting Vienna Project in those curly brackets at the top of the talk page for any new article. Wonder if that's been done for Schweizerhaus? DFWMike 17:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't want to be a "noodge", guys, but there are still a couple of photos on the de.Wiki Schweizerhaus article and some weblinks at the bottom that we do not yet have. Thanks again. I guess I'll try to find another short article in the Vienna Project that needs translating. DFWMike 17:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Anyone can add these, check out WP:IMAGES for instructions. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 17:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Something you might be interested in

Since you requested deletion for the One Peice attacks, I thought you could help out here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dragon Ball special abilities.

[edit] US Laws

In the US, one does have the right to kill intruders, and in Texas, other places, this is legal. By the way, some people in the SW US actually believe that the US govt. has willfully betrayed them by allowing illegal aliens and criminals to run loose all over the place, thus they have formed private armies to stop them. One such private army is Ranch Rescue, a militia group called on to ranches, other land holdings to forcibly remove illegal aliens and squatters. There are articles of this nature on the Ranch Rescue website, the American Patrol website as well. Think that would make great Wiki- articles concerning US citizens who believe they have been willfully betrayed by the US govt. ? Cheers. :) Martial Law 22:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)