User talk:Darkcat21

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[edit] Re: Weird problems with an user.

Darkcat21 wrote:

Hello, (my mother language is not English) I'm a huge fan of the Japanese Music and I love Wikipedia, so i always try to improve their articles related to the J-Pop, but recently there's an user who's removing ALL the info that lacks sources...

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Please, do something, he's destroying all the articles.Darkcat21 20:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate the problem you're having, but I'm not really experienced with mediation and sourcing issues. If you feel administrator intervention is necessary, I recommend you post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, which should bring it to the attention of someone who is used to handling problems such as this. Thanks – Gurch 20:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Problems with names

Darkcat21 wrote: Hello, there's a discussion at the X JAPAN article, the official name is X JAPAN, the members are: YOSHIKI, TOSHI, hide, PATA, HEATH, etc. and it's officials, they have a trademark, it's YOSHIKI® but someone is always putting X Japan and Yoshiki, he's avoiding the trademarks or the copyright, if the name is X JAPAN, why puting X Japan? You can take a look at their official site and you'll notice that the name is X JAPAN, the same happens with KOTOKO her name is KOTOKO not Kotoko, so if in her albums, singles, etc, she puts KOTOKO it must be KOTOKO in the article, so, the same happens with X JAPAN, their name was X JAPAN and not X Japan, but people don't know this, what can I do? If we put X Japan we are not respecting the copyright. Darkcat21 13:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I understand the point you're making, but the editor using lowercase is doing nothing wrong. Wikipedia has an extensive style guide that, like the encyclopedia, has been developed over time by many contributors. The guidelines for trademarks, found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), specify:

Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment:

avoid: REALTOR®

instead, use: Realtor

Wikipedia's use of trademarked names in encyclopediaic articles is standard practise and is not infringing any trademarks or copyrights, so there's nothing to "avoid". Copyright issues are not case-sensitive, and apply regardless of capitalization.

Like all wiki pages the style guidelines are not fixed, but they reflect consensus, and most experienced editors will follow them where necessary. If you feel a guideline should be changed, then you are welcome to bring up the issue on the discussion page, in this case Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (trademarks). However, you will likely need to demonstrate that there is consensus for the change – Gurch 14:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

You wrote Seriously, you're a rascist and a bit idiot, sorry but it's the truth. I understand that you're frustrated, but observing WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA is important because violations tend just to make things worse. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks. John Broughton | Talk 22:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Jun (musician)

You stated that "if the articles is deleted I'll create it again". I just wanted to let you know that trying to recreate the Jun (musician) article would be very unwise. When articles deleted due to an AfD are deleted, they can be speedy deleted, meaning that the article may be deleted on sight and will not be discussed again. ShadowHalo 20:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No me sorprende que la española sea mejor. ;-) Respecto a Japanese rock, fue decidido no borrar ese artículo porque existían referencias. Sin embargo Wikipedia:Verifiability dice, "editors should provide a reliable source for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." Ya que citas no fueron insertadas durante dos meses, la información no debe estar en el artículo hasta que citas sean introducidas. ShadowHalo 22:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Si quiere, puedo ayudarles encontrar fuentes fiables para el artículo. ShadowHalo 23:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No puedo encontrar mucho fiable para Yoshiki (musician) (porque no hablo japonés), pero encontré esto para X Japan. All Music Guide es un fuente muy fiable. ShadowHalo 23:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I want to say this in English since I'm not fluent with Spanish and I don't want to make any errors. I think it might be helpful if Cyrus XIII and you take a short break (a few days to a week) from editing the Japan X article and its related articles so that some neutral parties can have a go at it. This would help remedy some of the back-and-forth editing and establish the article from a detached standpoint, and it would allow Cyrus XIII and you to cool down. I've found that during disputes, it's harder for me to see the article as a whole during a dispute, but if some neutral participants (people who provided outside opinions and people from related WikiProjects) were to work on the articles, it would be easier for them since they're less involved. Cyrus XIII has said that he'd be willing to take a break from it for a week or so; would you be willing to do this as well? ShadowHalo 02:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Your recent contribution(s) to Wikipedia are very much appreciated. However, you did not provide references or sources for your information. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a drive to improve the quality of Wikipedia by encouraging editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. If sources are left unreferenced, it may count as original research, which is not allowed. Can you provide in the article specific references to any books, articles, websites or other reliable sources that will allow people to verify the content in the article? You can use a citation method listed at inline citations that best suits each article. Thanks! I'm willing to work with you to bring the articles to a higher standard, but I can't help if you're removing citations as you did here. ShadowHalo 22:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Visual Kei

You have said my edits at Visual kei article were "strange", Ok, look X Japan was formed in 1982, and Visual Kei fas formed in 1994, do I have to say more? Visual kei was an expansion of Visual with gothic clothes, compare a really Visual kei band (Malice Mizer) looks with X Japan ones, and you'll see the difference. Darkcat21 21:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, apparently the New York Times, MSJapan, I and pretty much everyone else who has previously worked on the visual kei article disagree with you. - Cyrus XIII 05:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is really difficult to explain but I will, I'll do it here instead of Visual Kei talk if you want you or I can translate this into the talk. First of all, stop adding the New York Times article, it contains some errors, for example about visual kei:

X Japan went from playing loud, fast thrash-metal to stadium-shaking pop ballads, in the process pioneering its own genre, a Japanese equivalent of glam rock known as visual kei.

It's my opinion or he's saying that visual kei is a musical genre, he talks about the music and he says "pioneering its own genre", really visual kei is a genre? You have also said that visual kei it's not a genre and due to this you deleted some stuff at the main article, so we have the first error, he don't know what's visual kei, then equivalent to glam rock... ehem... compare:

Image:KISS in concert Boston 2004.jpg - Glam Rock
Image:Malice Mizer - Gardenia 01.jpg - Visual Kei

Can you see the difference? Also check this if you want: http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/98/0522/feat1.html "Their style was Visual Rock", X Japan was Visual Rock not Visual Kei, the one from NYT was wrong, and I'll say that he was influenced by that article on asiaweek, or the ones from asiaweek fixed lot of errors that there were in the NYT article. Or this: http://weeklywire.com/ww/11-02-98/fw_music.html

Then we have that X Japan was created in 1982 (as hide official site says) then we have that Visual Kei was created in mid 90s, how can you explain this? Darkcat21 20:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

We have been through this several times: Present reliable sources for notable information and no one will object if you add it to Wikipedia. Controversial edits require discussion until a consensus is reached. - Cyrus XIII 23:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

VK was not created in the 90s, period. This is OR, but there are three or four distinct phases of VK, and the 90s was just the second of these. MSJapan 20:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, visual vs. VK is an unnecessary distinction. No one active in the scene considers there to be a difference, and if VK is gothic only, how do you explain Haruhiko Ash claiming Eve of Destiny was not VK? No way do I buy that Mana created VK, either. I'd be surprised if he ever said that, and if he did, I bet it was to market his EGL stuff. There's just as much documentable evidence for gothic influence from the UK New Romantics as there are from Japanese bands. I've got Fool's Mates from 1984 that are entirely UK-focused. Also, if you want to say is Visual and not VK, how do you explain Luna Sea, who were definitely VK, and on the same label as X Japan? It's basically fan nonsense that claims Mana started VK, and it's the same fan nonsense that claims X Japan started visual. Show me a Japanese-language primary source that says this, and I might think otherwise after I translate it. MSJapan 23:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: Art of Life citations

No offense, but I am not sure whether you should be handing out advice regarding references. After all, that request for comment has been filed against you for citation-related reasons, among other things. And what exactly are you suggesting here? To cite information under an arbitrary "official biography" label instead of precisely stating its origin? - Cyrus XIII 21:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you're saying that I can't help people? You're banning me or whatever? It's yor problem if you don't have enough money to buy that official book and check the info written by staff from the band. And also really nice that when I added the same info that I guess that Vespertilio is going to add, Cyrus warned me and deleted the stuff and I was saying that was from a book and this stuff, and now you help him/her, really nice, you have also said this: "but in the absence of any grave misbehavior on your part, no one's going to doubt the good faith behind your contributions." ehem, you were the one that the Art of Life problem was the first problem about sources, then you removed my info, but you won't remove his/her, why? Darkcat21 18:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I left an answer at the talk page of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Darkcat21. - Cyrus XIII 21:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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