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There have been a number of back-and-forth edits regarding which Somali clan is the largest (e.g. Darod or Hawiye). I haven't been able to come up with any good numbers, myself, but I did cite a couple of sources. This didn't seem to help with the back-and-forth edits. However, in the absence of other citations I will continue to revert to a version that includes them. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Moved Comments from article

Note: Some one has been editing Darod sub clans in a wrong way; the correct DAROD CLAN FAMILY TREE can be found the following link url=http://www.hrw.org/reports/1990/WR90/AFRICA.BOU-09.htm | date=November 21 | year=2005}}


HERE ARE CORRECT DAROD FAMILY TREE

This tree diagrma if from Jack Davies (1950's), completely out of date.S710 11:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


  • NOTE: Wikipedia is a plat form where information must be correct, And reflect accurate and precise information as this free plat form will be used as reference for generations to come. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 265.25.254.24 (talk • contribs) 20:54,

26 February 2006.

[edit] Mahamed Muumin

Since there is a separate Mahamed Muumin article, I have replaced the text under "Noted Darod clan members" with a brief summary. Anything subtantive about Mahamed Muumin should be added to that article instead. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darod Jaberti subclans

The Darod Jaberti subclans section has become very unwieldy. I'm also not sure just how specific we need to be regarding the various subclans. Since many of these groups have their own articles, I think any sub-branches should be listed in those articles, instead. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Recently there has been a number of back-and-forth edits to the listing of subclans, subsubclans, etc. I suggest that the editors involved work out their differences here (as per Wikipedia:Resolving disputes) instead of continually reverting the article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The guy obviously has a tendency to be a pro-and-first-of-my-clan ideology, who perceives others if they have a vendetta against his. The names he is listing, no body knows. However, the other listed clan names are well-known clans ( and I never belong any of them), but in his conspiracy mentality he thinks we should have a right to know what the names of his uncles are. This is no personal family site, I suppose. And I wonder why he doesn't come here to discuss the issue. His whole wikipedia contribution is listing and re-listing his uncles names up there. Nothing else. Soomaali April 27, 2006

[edit] Ahmed Gragn

Wikipedia contains differing statements that Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (Ahmed Gragn) belonged to a particular clan, or was from a particular location. This article contains such a statement. Please see Talk:Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi#Somali clan? for a discussion. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Ahmed Gragn might not have even been a Somali. Richard Pankhurst says he was probably an Afar, so the whole issue should just not be dealt with until it is first known whether he was Somali or Afar (instead you can just mention that various clans claim him, specifying the clans if need be).
Yom 10:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daarood is a Somali word

Daarood is undisputedly a Somali word. It consists the combination of two Somali words of "daar" and "ood." Daar in Somali means a compound, sometimes a compound villa. Ood means an enclosure place by woods, fence and even sticks. Its former definition meant strictly an enclosed place by woods or large sticks only. Thus, Daarood means an enclosed compound, mostly by sticks as it was that way in old days in Somalia. It still is in the countryside, even in cities and towns.

It isn't the first clan name with this methodolgy. There is "Mudulood" clan within Hawiye tribe consisting the words "mudul" (hut) and "ood" (enclosure). Thus, Mudulood means, like Daarood, an enclosed living space by wall, wood or fence.

And Daarood wasn't an individual that existed. It is purely a myth. Never was verified, nor concrete evidence exists. I don't know why that misinformation was allowed there without evidence. —the preceding comment is by Soomaali - 09:47, 16 April 2006: Please sign your posts!

Daar is actually Semitic (Arabic). Daar (del-alif-ra) is another word for house (bayt/beyt) in Arabic, hence Dar es-salaam, or House of Peace (also used to refer to the Muslim world).
Yom 10:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is Semitic word, so is a Somali. In Somali, it doesn't mean house per se, because the word 'house' or 'home' in Somali has many other words for it. Daar (or daarad) is exclusively reserved to mean a large, open, walled compound, especially corresponding what the Latins call a Villa. Soomaali April 27, 2006.


[edit] The size of the Darod

In the Worldbank source (p. 7) at Somali clan you can read that the Darod and Isaaq numbers are exaggerated. The Canadian source cited here is from 1997. That is too old to use for population numbers. On top of that the sources that are used in the Canadian document date from 1992. You cannot use that anymore. S710 13:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darod clan sub-division

The sub-division give here differs from the sub-division give in Somali clan The reference for clan-division here given (Hunt(1951)) is completely out of date. Hunt is also the source of 'Somali ethnic group etc. from Commons' The map (coming from CIA factbook) that's referred to also gives a sub-divison that's different from the one here given in the text. Shouldnt that be streamlined ?S710 13:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivision

The subdivision of Darod should give a general indication of certain clans within one of the main clans (darod), not their exact place in the tree diagram and lineage. That's why I changed the list of Darod clans which was needlessly confusing.S710 11:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC) Reference to Davies was twice in the list. I deleted one.S710 11:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphan article

I just stumbled across Jidwaq, which needs a lot of work from someone knowledgable. I'm not certain whether it's information is even accurate. Anyone? -- llywrch 17:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factcheck additions by User:Abdisalam101

I am quite sure that "Isaaq" is not a sub-clan of Darod, and I do wonder about a bunch of uncited subclan names with no references. I do not know enough about Somali ethnicities to make a definitive ruling, but the content is mis-formatted in any regard, and Isaaq is definitely wrong. Opinions? Please cite sources. --Petercorless 08:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pardons on removing information

I was trying to revert some vandalism, and didn't go back far enough. Pardon me. --Petercorless 19:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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