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Contents 1 Corny and Cliche text and Facts 2 MP3 Dark Samus 3 Third Eye? 4 Prime 3 Dark Samus 5 Revision 6 Gender Association 7 Gamma Metroid 8 Dark Samus in Smash Bros 9 Theory: Dark Samus is an X Parasite 10 Merge 10.1 Support/Oppose 11 Games that Dark Samus Appears in 12 Why has this not been merged yet? 13 Not Offically Stated

[edit] Corny and Cliche text and Facts

I found the text of this article to be corny, derived from comics books and movies of the 1950s. A couple of phrases that seemed un-encyclopedic in particular are "nefarious doppleganger" and "banished her doomed nemesis." Perhaps I am the only person who would be bothered by that.

Also, there are a few statements on Dark Samus' abilities that I do not recall seeing in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.

Although never clearly explained, Dark Samus is capable of using this as means to travel through space. Furthermore, Dark Samus has mysteriously acquired to ability to teleport and throughout the “light and dark” dimensions at whim, but is still dependant on the assistance of portals and rifts to enter various dimensions.

I've never seen Dark Samus travel through space, and she never teleported (althought she did change in those small orbs of Phazon and then re-form in another location), and at best I seen her open a Dark Portal, and then close it. My memory might wrong since I only played the game once; can anyone agree or prove me wrong?--69.241.228.117 00:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Dark Samus actually is never seen travelling trough space, yet if u recieve the 100% ending, u will see er hovering in space. As for teleportation, we are unsure of this becuz it is never seen, but a psace pirate log said 'the dark hunter teleports in our base at will'. So she does have some form of teleportation. As for the statements above ur abilities problem; feel free to edit them. (11987 01:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC))

I see. The problem I have with Samus travelling through space is that it flatly contradicts another part of the article, which is: Dark Samus would later regenerate itself in a patch of phazon particles in Aether’s atmosphere.

Did she regenerate in space, or in the atmosphere? I've never seen the 100% ending. --69.241.228.117 21:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

She regenerated in space, right outside the planet. (11987 01:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] MP3 Dark Samus

Is it me or does she look alot like a Galactic Federation Trooper? I wonder... New Theory: Dark Samus goes to a GF controlled planet after MP2 and GF is smuggling/hoarding or doing some other illegal thing with phazon, DS kills GF troopers, maybe takes some DNA or suit pieces from a special one. Tell me if you can think of any self-contradicting parts or holes in my theory, be as brutal as you want.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 21:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The only problem I can find is that in the first 2 Prime games, the Galactic Federation does not know Phazon even exists, until Prime 3. it dousen't make sense that the GF are doing stuff with the Phazon because they first experience it in Prime 3, so unless her appearence changes DURING the game, it doesnt make sense. Sorry. (11987 09:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Third Eye?

Exerpt from article:For reasons not known, Dark Samus seems to have a developed an indent in her forehead that is reminiscent of a yellow eye (that is the color of her other eyes as well). Can someone post a picture of this? I never noticed it, unless you mean something from the frinal fight where DS's skin is transparent.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 22:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'v never found a picture of this scene, but since i have the game, I know this to be true. If one watches the cutscene before the final battle with Dark Samus you will see this third eye.(11987 22:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC))

I would be rather interested to see this as well, as I've never noticed it. (Also - if the extra eye is on her forehead, then why is her visor more Y-shaped than W-shaped as Samus'? The visor would seem to imply it's below the others. Random speculation.) Octavo 07:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Do any of you remember the eye on Dark Samus's left hand in the original Metroid Prime 100% ending? (You can also see it in the MP2 ending scene) Becuase that would bring up the number of eyes to four.

[edit] Prime 3 Dark Samus

Im not sure if the current Prime 3 pic should remain up. Since people are unsure who that really is, should we place in the article? Its not confirmed that the pic is Dark Samus, so im not sure if it should remain. If you disagree, I think we should at least reduce the ridiculous size of the image's text box; its way to long. (11987 08:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

See here. -Zero^Talk 12:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, i saw a video about a week ago at Youtube, and i saw Dark Samus and it resembled the picture that was removed from this article. I therefore propose that the picture be returned, although the enormous text box writing should definetley be removed and replaced with something a lot shorter, like "Metroid Prime 3's Dark Samus. Does anyone else agree? (11987 14:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

While I personally believe that's Dark Samus, many contend that it's actually Samus in her Phazon-corrupted mode. So the picture should either be removed, as someone suggested in the Samus talk page, or the text box should mention that it's only "probably" Dark Samus, or some such. It certainly can't stay in its current form; there's no text at all. --Herald Alberich 08:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revision

Now, I deleted most of the history because it was messed up and alot was speculation. I also removed speculation in other areas. After all, Nintendo hasn't confirmed the Dark Samus/Space Pirate alliance. (11987 23:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Gender Association

Where is it ever revealed that Dark Samus is a female? I, along with several other NSiders believed Dark Samus was a genderless entity. Furthermore, I suggest the part of the article pertaining to Dark Samus' speech be removed. Basing the idea on the fact that as long as DS can talk, it can laugh seems shady, as various animals can create produce a sound similar to a laugh. Thanks for your time --ShadowJester07 13:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the official, in-game log book clearly states she is female. (11987 17:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC))

It is also most likely created from Samus' DNA, and appears to have a female physiche/body type, so both of this point to Dark Samus being female, despite her a-gender (don't know the word for it, feel free to edit that word) behavior.

i prefer to think of dark samus as more of an "it" than female. after all, metroids have no gender as far as i can tell, and prime was basically a far evolved metroid. absorbing the phazon suit did give it samus's DNA, so dark s would be an it fused with a she. so "it" is the way i'm going.

[edit] Gamma Metroid

It is widely believed that Metroid Prime was in fact a "Gamma Metroid". Evidence that suggests this relies on the keen physical similarities between the two types, as well as their means of defense. Considering Metroid prime to have derived from a mere Metroid is too vague, the adding of the "Gamma Metroid" statement helps make it more specific.

To further back up my claim, a Metroid Expert created this chart, explaining the life cycle and evolution of a Metroid. [1]. --ShadowJester07 15:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

No; it is total speculation. I too beleive it is a Gamma, but until offical word tells nus so, it shudnt be allowed. Plus, the chart is fan made; not made by a 'Metroid Expert'. (11987 18:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC))

RidleyPrime has mislead me :-(. --ShadowJester07 19:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Samus in Smash Bros

Are the miscellaneous reports of Dark Samus in the new Smash Bros game speculation; Or do they actually have some solidity? --ShadowJester07 00:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rumors, speculation, you name it. Its not true; until nintendo confrms it, it shouldnt be mentioned. (11987 07:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

Dark Samus placed rather high on the poll nintendo had for who should appear in brawl, I think Dark placed 6th or something. BassxForte 17:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theory: Dark Samus is an X Parasite

OK. I'm probably not the first one to come up with this or a similar theory, but here goes: Since the Metroid Prime games take place long before Metroid Fusion, X parasites still exist. One parasite somehow finds a way to leave SR-388 years before Samus came and exterminated the Metroids, or one comes from another planet where X exist. It makes its way to Tallon IV and is corrupted by the phazon, either on the planet or with the meteor on the way to the planet. This makes it somehow immune to the Metroids, or perhaps simply much more powerful. For some reason, it becomes a leader to the Metroids. It then changes form to look like Metroids and becomes Metroid Prime. The Space Pirates then arrive, discover it, and feed it more phazon, making it even more powerful. Samus arrives and takes care of Metroid Prime. As noted in the article, Prime's second form appears similar to a Core-X. When it is defeated, it takes all of the phazon from Samus, along with some of her DNA. It then flees the planet and becomes Dark Samus. Like the SA-X would later do, it gains intelligence and becomes more than just a wild creature; the phazon also drives it to insanity. It makes it's way to Aether, and Prime 2 occurs. The rest it all handled in the article. Wouldn't it be interesting if this connection became reality? Any differences between Dark Samus and other X could be explained by the phazon corruption. This would explain Prime's transformation into Dark Samus. Thoughts? -Platypus Man | Talk 07:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Fan Theories Don't Belong on Wikipedia, Sorry. It is pretty interesting though. :) --ShadowJester07 12:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I know fan theories don't belong on Wikipedia. That's why it's on the talk page rather than the regular article. I think this is a fine place for it. -Platypus Man | Talk 16:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

How would the Parasite escape? Did you see any in Metroid 2? There were 39 Metroids, and those kept them in check. The X couldnt have even escaped. And since Prime 3 is before Fusion, they wouyld know of the X before Fusion, which they didnt/ (11987 12:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC))

45, IIRC. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 19:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, my thoughts on the issue: Perhaps one (or more than one) X escaped from SR-388 before the Chozo created the Metroid and no one knew. Perhaps this/these X found their own planet and repopulated it with X, or maybe it just went slowly to SR-388. Or maybe the X existed on more than just one planet and escaped elsewhere. As to the knowledge of X, maybe Samus never finds out that Dark Samus is X, so no one knows that the X exist until the events of Fusion. -Platypus Man | Talk 16:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I still think its incorrec. You can make up whatever 'what if's or maybe's, but i still think its unlikely. How could the X hav escaped anyways? They have no ships and stuff. And i would not like it if we never found out what Dark Samus really is. Samus should know. (124.121.90.25 15:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

You used 'somehow' way too much in that explanation.--KojiDude ^{(Contributions)} 04:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think this article should be merged with Metroid Prime, seeing as how they are the same entity. Samus doesn't have a seperate article for teenage life and adult life, so why should Prime have a seperate article for his experiences as Dark Samus and Metorid Prime?

[edit] Support/Oppose

[edit] Games that Dark Samus Appears in

At the very end of metroid prime doesn't the hand of dark samus appear. considering this should dark samus's first game be changed to Metroid Prime instead of Metroid Prime 2? Vcelloho 22:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess, unless you're supposed to only include games where DS played a significant role. --ShadowJester07 22:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why has this not been merged yet?

Dark Samus IS Metroid Prime. No one is denying that I hope. And since they are the same being, they should be one article. Do we have different articles about Ganon or versions of video game final bosses?

As for spoilers, there are spoiler tags and there should be a Forms box (as Dark Samus is simply another variation of Metroid Prime) to help eliminate any accidental spoiler mishaps. --ChibiMrBubbles 23:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Because it was decided not to. The differences between the two are held to be enough to give them separate articles. The two articles are decently sized, too, and I think one long one would be a bit unwieldly. --Herald Alberich 00:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

That didn't answer my question. All you said that in the past by a margin of 3 votes, they kept the articles separated. The article wouldn't be long, moot point. The differences are what?

Metroid Prime is a being that has different versions of itself. One is the spider-like form, then it's human-face form.

Though they are technically the same entity, both forms have different mental and physical characteristics.

Dark Samus just happens to be another variation of the same being who originated from Phazon. Because Metroid Prime no longer is infused with Phazon, it looks for Phazon (most likely to regenerate itself, etc). Isn't Dark Samus spreading Phazon in Prime 3? Isn't that JUST what Metroid Prime does? So they still have that one motive, further increasing their similarities.

Oppose, because while they are technically the same thing, it has become quite different and is like 2 different characters

That's an opinion based on what evidence? MP and DS are hostile and beings of Phazon. They shouldn't be categorized differently because MP is able to adapt and have some higher-thinking. MP's evolution = phases of that being, and should once again be categorized under the name Metroid Prime.--ChibiMrBubbles 16:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

For Spoiler sakes, it was decided to keep the articles separated. There is no evidence that backs up the fact that Prime and DS are "Higher Thinking" organisms. A general reader, one who does not know much about the Metroid Prime series, will easily be confused, especially if they have not seen the last scenes in MP1. Also, your claim of Primes evolution is unsourced; there's no concrete evidence to back-up the fact that Prime took over a simple metroid and evolved, as opposed to the concept that Prime just took the form of Gamma Metroid, similar to how DS took the form of Samus (Which is also a fan theory. Please see WP:Verify, WP:original research, and WP:Cite. I hope this answered your question :) --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  16:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Before I concede, are you denying the claim that Dark Samus took the form of Samus? MP took that form only because of the suit, correct? --ChibiMrBubbles 18:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Technically, I can't properly answer that question since the game never states what "entity" took the form of Samus. A blob of animated Phazon takes Samus' suit, MP was well defeated. Later, Metroid Prime 2's logs state that DS's body contains Samus' genetic Material - leading us to believe that Dark Samus embodies the genetic likeness of Samus with a darker twist. I will state that I believe Dark Samus and Metroid Prime are, in essence, the same entity, but that's just my unofficial theory. Also, if you merged the article, what would you call it? MP plays a significant role in the Mp1's back story, while DS plays an important role throughout Mp2 They are both important characters with significant roles in the MP series. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  18:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll add my two cents here. Since Dark Samus has Samus' gentic material and seems to have been given life by Metroid Prime, I would classify "her" as being sort of a clone of Samus or a "child" of her and Metroid Prime (which is pretty freaky). So I say keep the two seperate. --Shaoken 07:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not Offically Stated

In this article, Dark Samus is refered to with feminine pronouns, however we don't exactly have proof that Dark Samus is female, Dark Samus is implied to be the Metroid Prime, Prime's gender is vauge, it would be wrong to automatically declare Dark is female. BassxForte 17:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Her gender is stated in Dark Samus' first log from MP2. the log states, "Scans indicate the presence of Phazon and your genetic material within this entity. She wears a version of the Varia Suit, altered and augmented by the Phazon within her". See the earlier Gender Association topic, where this issues was previously addressed. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  22:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)