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[edit] Zombies on the Airwaves of Paris

I noticed that you reverted my edit on this album page. Just to let you know, according to WikiProject Albums, track titles should be in quotes (and albums in italics). You can find this formatting convention and much more on the Project page. --Fisherjs 08:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Album Format

Thanks for the advice - will try and ensure i maintain the standard format - maybe you can help did some editing/creating entry for Kevin Mitchell (musician) in respect to his two albums Suburban Kid & Suburban Songbook unfortunately they are under the wrong titles but I am not certain how to change them so the album info is under the correct heading - can you help Dan arndt 05:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Whilst the link to the album Suburban Kid is now correct - the link to Suburban Songbook just directs it to Suburban Kid. Can anyone help with re-establishing the correct links to the correct pages Dan arndt 08:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Where do you want that link to aim? --ais523 13:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I see you moved the pages. I don't remove the redirection on Suburban Songbook or that article would be deleted since it is empty. You can use this link to edit the page. Hope that helps! I remove the helpme tag :) Don't hesitate to contact me or someone else if you need some more help. Happy Editing! -- lucasbfr talk 15:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh I just understood what you meant. I'm going to look into this and either do the changes or ask an admin to play :) -- lucasbfr talk 16:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok an admin is looking into it and will probably move Suburban Kid* to Kid, and Kid to Songbook shortly. If you need anything else, don't hesitate to ask me or put the helpme tag back :) -- lucasbfr talk 16:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Said Galore

Dan, I think this article is going to have to be deleted because most of the content in it is copied from here. Their legal page indicates the content is copyrighted in a way that's not compatible with wikipedia's license. Did I miss something? You can reply here.--Kchase T 06:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you going to respond?--Kchase T 06:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I actually didn't source it for there originally but from their MySpace website which has some similar content - I have tried to edit it sufficiently so that it isn't infringing in any way but am prepared to change it further if necessary. Dan arndt

Well, the secondary problem is that the band probably isn't well enough known to meet our standards for music and bands. Give WP:MUSIC a read and let me know what you think. I can't delete it myself (it asserts enough notability or importance that you're entitled to a wider forum for discussion on the band's notability). But if you don't think it meets WP:MUSIC, you can give me permission to delete it. Give WP:MUSIC a read and let me know if you want a wider forum for discussion. You can reply here.--Kchase T 06:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Did check WP:MUSIC and would like to think that it meets a number of the criteria, generally as follows (but if you need me to clarify or you think that the 'grounds' are shaky let me know:

  1. can cite a number of Australian press reviews of the band and their releases if necessary (these articles are not press releases but independent reviews).
  2. the band have toured nationally on several occassions
  3. depends on whether you cite Redline Records (the label established by members of the band, Jebediah) or Shock records as a major indie label or not.
  4. Simon Struthers from the band is now a notable record producer as well working with a number of up and coming bands and artists, notably Bob Evans (who's latest album has been nationall recognised)
  5. the band in 1998 won a national competion for unsigned bands run by the Australian Broadcasting Commission
  6. the drummer from the band also won a West Australian Music Industry Award in 2003(which after the ARIAs) are one of the more nationally recognised music awards in Australia.
  7. the band have also recieved national coverage on the Australia Youth radio Station, Triple J.

does this assist? Dan arndt

Yeah, I'm actually surprised how many ways it meets MUSIC that I missed. I'm not going to bother with a trip to articles for deletion. Just clean up the copyvio issues and it's fine. Thanks for your kind attention to this.--Kchase T 08:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your assistance - rather than just deleting the article - will make sure that i clean up the article to ensure no copyright infringements occur Dan arndt

No problem. Sorry for being so demanding above.--Kchase T 08:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Its Ok - kept me on my feet & made me think about the content more than I probably would have Dan arndt

[edit] Eskimo Joe

Thanks for bringing the spelling of Temperley's name to my attention. (Oddly, I used to have a teacher with this surname!) I was able to confirm your observation on a number of reliable sites, so went with it. I've fixed the spelling and all links to it so that they point to the right page. Orderinchaos78 00:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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I have deleted the image - as I was uncertain as to its copyright status - the picture was released as a promotional picture by the record label and therefore I thought would be able to be used on wikipedia Dan arndt 08:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


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  • Have uploaded new promotional picture from NRFB myspace webpage - which checking with other abnd pics seems to be a reasonable 'fair use rationale' in that it is a picture from the band's own website promoting the band (this rationale appears to have been extensively used on other wikipedia articles) - let me know if I am wrong about this Dan arndt 08:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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  • have provided source details of where the image was accessed from - the image is a promotional picture of the band provided by the band for those purposes Dan arndt 03:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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  • have updated source of material and included details on image page Dan arndt 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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The image reaches the fair use criteria in that

No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. The picture is not being used in a manner that would likely replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media - the picture is currently only available from the band's myspace website (although is likely to also be available on the band's offical website which is currently under construction) The picture has been published on the band's offical myspace website. The picture only relates to the article describing the band, its history, members (which the picture illustrates) & discography The picture meets the media-specific policy requirements. The picture is to be used in the article on the band. The picture contributes significantly to the article (e.g. clearly identifies the subject of an article). The image is only being used in the article namespace. It is not linked, nor inlined, from the talk pages The image or media description page contains: Proper attribution of the source of the material. An appropriate fair use tag indicating which Wikipedia policy provision permitting the use is claimed. The picture is one of several prictures that the band has had taken for promotional press releases - there are currently no other free equivalent images of the band available - the image is only being used in respect to an article on the band Dan arndt 05:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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The problem is it is break rule number one, which is the most important one; someone can capture this band/group at a show/concert quite easily since the band performs live on a regular basis and freely release it. Also, the pictures section of the Myspace page is only available to people who sign up for myspace, which is another problem. Finally, the band must label the appropriate picture to be released under the GFDL but, again, since this is a band that currently performs, this image is replaceable. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 18:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess I would have to disagree in that as the picture is a promotional picture released by the band it does constitute a freely available image of the band - and based on your 'narrow' interpretation almost all images on wikipedia would have to be removed. At this stage there are no other 'free' images of the band available - given that most venues actively discourage or prohibit the taking of pictures or video it becomes extremely unlikely that someone could/would take a picture of the band performing live and then mave it freely available - I would contend that the best source of any image of a band is directly from the band itself - which is the case here Dan arndt 23:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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I think that you are being a little overzealous here - maybe you should give me a few minutes before suddenly declaring something an orphaned image - as I was just in the process of editing the page on which I was going to place the image - I think that maybe you should at least wait for 24 hours before deciding something is an orphaned image Dan arndt 00:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, just ran across it and didn't notice. Atropos235 00:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
apology accepted - just don't be so eager next time - give the user a chance first Dan arndt 00:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wallet/Puffer/Smokes/Keys

I'm sorry for incorrectly changing the discography for the The Cops page earlier. At the time i thought it was an EP. At the time I misread the article where i got my inofmation. After our last encounter i thought it best to assure you i'm not trying to start an Edit war or anything stupid like that. My only aim is to make pages i edit as accurate and entertaining to read as possible. Wiki ian 09:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] List of Western Australian Musicians

Hi, in line with the general push at the List of Australian people - where a number of lists have been nominated for deletion, I have placed a prod at the list - it is suggested that the list would be better served by a category of theose articles which are already started. The list contains a significant number of red links - and it is likely that those names will simply drop off in the event of a change to a category.

Please feel free to leave comment at the list talk page - please also note I am not trying to in any way criticise your hard work - I am simply putting up an alternative that looks like a better way to go. SatuSuro 13:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - really appreciate the hard work you put in - hey! SatuSuro 00:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a strong push to push it - as part of a big project from the east to reduce lists of people - if you wanna keep it as is - create a sub page of your own user page and /de-link the items - if you want help let me know - SatuSuro 00:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah there is an article about that - Australian regional rivalries
Re the list - the prod that was suggested to me - was suggested under the assumption that it might not work. :) However - the process of making it a sub page to work on - what you do is go to your user page, and create the equivalent of a talk page archive - that is, you must have your user name in the title of the page so it dosnt get lost in wiki space - if you want clues go to my user page and see my strangely named sub pages - to see how they work. Anyways - copy the list (ie best to go to list in edit mode- to get stuff) into the red link sub page (call it whatever -list) - and save there. Then vip - put : a colon at the beginning of each blue linked item - so that the articles dont link to your subn page - there you have a working list - which you can work from without being harassed by all and sundry. If all this is as clear as mud - if you like I could do it for you - but only with your permission. cheers SatuSuro 00:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
If you could do that for me that would be great - have got to get back and strat doing some real work Dan arndt 01:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I have not been able to de-link them - ran out of time - they need the : in to keep fthem from linking unnecssarily.... will try later - maybe you can too... SatuSuro 01:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Being born in the 1950's means that my 16 year old might know some of the stuff you write about... VIP - we must delink them! SatuSuro 04:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for going in there and letting them know - well worth finding out how the engines of afd/prod and etc all work - at the oz project level SatuSuro 08:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Got ot go out in a second - will need to get back later tonight about the process, unless someone else can help you before then... sorry - gotta rush! SatuSuro 09:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I spotted your last question on user talk:SatuSuro. The short answer is "yes". To put articles in a category, you need to add the category to the bottom of each article. If the category name shoows up red (it does for a new category), you need to then edit that page to put the new category into the category graph by adding it to some other categories, and it's often helpful to also give the category a short description. Remember that WP:BLP says you shouldn't just add categories to people articles if the text doesn't explain why they're in that category (unlikely problem for the categories I think you're talking about, but still needs to be said). In fact, that's a good guideline to follow anyway. --Scott Davis Talk 23:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
From an expert - I have taken note of that as welll :) SatuSuro 02:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Apparently my 'notion' of delinking was incorrect - my apologies - pointed out by scott on his talk page - his argument is if that they are linked the more experienced editor will see you are at 'what links here' and may well check up with you about details - bit a like free publicity/contact. Hope its going ok - remember the WP Music project criteria for notability when you are doing new ones - and if anyone ever challenges you over a new one - refer them to those criteria - if you follow scott's talk - he is of the opinion that anyone with a guitar and a friend with a cd can put themselves up - its good to have skeptics - keeps us all honest - but you just have to make sure you keep to that criteria when putting up new articles ! SatuSuro 02:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Unless someone else suggests otherwise - I'd stay with musicians category for the moment - unless you have 20 + articles that are notable reasonable beyond stub good quality that could fit into that SatuSuro 03:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Well ask yourself - if they are indeed separate from the musicians - youve been given the lowdown by scott above - you could remember to put wp australia perth = yes in the talk page of each - and youre on your way! hope to see it when its populated as we say... make sure you qualify who how when in the category page itself SatuSuro 04:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indie musicians

Hi Dan. You sound like someone who could comment at talk:Lists of Australians#Arts-related lists about the article List of Australian independent bands, 1976-1992. Is it likely to be useful to Wikipedia, or should it be moved to user or project space as a checklist of groups that don't have articles yet? Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 13:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] xfd

Voting fine - but be very careful with comments like that - we are all quite frustrated by a number of younger members in WP WA - even though there is a cop out clause of humour - we have to be very careful how we conduct ourselves lest someone does a WP Civility or WP Wikiquette on to us - similar to claims of wikistalking - I have had the comment of the latter from a guy who actually does it himself - the article of base level of everything here is good faith, civility - and from that we somehow keep this - the great goldfish bowl in the ether running... and everything - even in our archives and sub pages is so rapidly seen on google you wouldnt imagine how fast. So I am old boy from one of the rival schools - and I felt that way during my teen years - but now we are here on WP - we gotta tread carefully - even with our humour! cheers - trust the categories are filling up ok

  • if you havent worked it out - our local admins (whom we see the most - there are a couple of 'invisible ones' ) here in Perth are Hesperian, Gnangarra, Orderinchaos and Moondyne -all good help on all things - we now have the four hose-persons of the apocalypse! SatuSuro 08:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually when or if you ever venture into rabid edit wars, come face to face with death wish vandals, or similar travails - the notion of hose persons of the apocalypse a pun maybe - its great when they come to the rescue ansd hose down the offenders! :) SatuSuro 23:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I have met for and can vouch for all for of them - they are real human beings with good sense of humour and understanding of the wa project - and great contributors as well - always worth a message about the smallest of anything that might trouble you - dosnt matter how trivial.
The thing is you never really expect it and then one day on your watch list you find the cockroaches have been at one of your articles (oops we never 'own them but) putting 'poo' on it, or blanking it for fun :( - it is worth knowing before you ever have to - knowing about warning template for the little dears who love to see their mess - WP:TT - you dont have to know or be able to use it all - but its well worth having a look - it can also make sense of some messages you may find on vandals talk pages..SatuSuro 23:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)



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[edit] Take Me Away (Lash)

Could you please source your comments regarding chart placement and radio airplay on this article? You are it's only contributor to date. Garrie 00:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

If you could add references to the other lash songs that would be equally appreciated.Garrie 00:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't mean links to more websites like youtube (WP:EL - don't link to it as an external link). I meant references like news articles or other press coverage confirming chart listings, release dates etc.Garrie 01:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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