Talk:Danke Deutschland (song)

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The following comments in this article are pure speculations and not facts:

"...a genocide agaist Serbs, Jews and Gypsies was perpetrated by Ustashe to the degree that disgusted even the Germans...". This statement is pure speculation and it only suggests that the Ustasha where even worse than the Nazis. Any normal person would have been disgusted by the crimes of the Ustasha and the Nazis in the same way, no matter whether they are German, Croatian or any other nationality.

"This song was seen as an open admittance of the German role in the break-up of Yugoslavia...". Sanja Trumbic was no politician nor was this song sponsored by the German government, so it can not be an admittance of the German role in the break-up of Yugoslavia.

Regarding the Genscher monuments, where there really some erected? I do remember that there was some talk about this but it would be interresting to know where this monuments are.

On 9 March, an anonymous user (213.202.96.157) improved this article greatly. Sadly, people with political agendas then deleted large sections of this improved article, and put in the tripe which is here today. I reverted once, but it was soon changed back again. The way the article stands today, there is much room for improvement, on the basis of what 213.202.96.157 wrote. (Barend 21:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Can we be civilised?

Edit wars are destructive and achieve nothing. I have now deleted everything which is not strictly factual. The article needs more information, but please, can we discuss what should be in there on this discussion page, rather than just mindlessly reverting and jumping from one biased point of view to another in the article? Serbs who want to write about how evil Croats are and Croats who want to write about evil Serbs are: please do it somewhere else than on wikipedia. (Barend 15:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC))

I would just like to recommend removing the category Croatian music, since it is already in its subcat of Croatian songs. I have never heard this song myself, so it hardly seems notable enough to categorize into "Croatian music" as a whole. --Thewanderer 18:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I made changes as You proposed. I'm trying to separate "easy" changes with "harder" ones, so can deal with one issue at a time. I just hope that someone will actually read my suggestion.

Regarding changes user:SrbIzLike made:

• can SrbIzLike explain why he believes that song is "nationalistic"? I would like him to point to exact part of the text that is "nationalistic"? Because, croatian patriotism was constantly labeled as "nationalism" (see croatophobia) in period 1945-1990 and looks like SrbIzLike still don't see the difference between the two.
• I don't see what has Genscher has to do with this and how can someone go as far as writing his personal opinions on monuments raising in Croatia?
• Talking about Germany role in WW2 is quite off topic here.
• There are more disputable statements, but I would start with those above.

I would like to see comments from the other side.

--Ante Perkovic

I am not "the other side", but I would hope to perhaps clarify. I do NOT want to quarrel and in fact not wanting to flame around is the primary reason I am not very active on enwiki, so please answer calmly, thanks.

• This song is not nationalistic. It is bizarre, comical and way over-the-top-kitschy. Even though she was just a beginning singer, poor Sanja never commercially released this masterpiece.
• What Genscher has to do with this is quite clear: this is a song by which the Croatian then-regime/TV/whoever expressed their thanks to Germany - HD Genscher being foreign minister thereof - for their - that is Genscher's - role in the international recognition of Croatian independence. Fine. That is obvious. The link with the monuments around Croatia is equally obvious. The personal opinions can go out if you want. That these monuments in stone and music were in bad taste you won't be able to hide from an intelligent reader by not explicitly saying they were, but go ahead and try.
• Ehmmmm, the link Croatia-Germany-Vatican (Genscher announced German recognition of Croatia just after returning from the Holy See) is somehow reminiscent of WW2. This analogy really does not take that much imagination. It is not to say that anything ran parallel to WW2 alliances. It is to say that this might have been perceived (and in fact was perceived) by some that way.

--Dzordzm 07:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)