Talk:Danger Hiptop

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This entry is a heavily-modified version of an Everything2 writeup of mine. I've tried to be as unbiased as possible, and I certainly don't want this to be an advertisement, so any help on those fronts will be greatly appreciated. -- wonko 00:06, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] Sidekick ID/Sidekick X Rumors

I don't think rumors need to be in a Wikipedia article. Articles are suppose to be facts not second rate rumors. AJ 02:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hiptop/Sidekick 4

There is no evidence to back up that a hiptop/sidekick 4 is going to be released this year. We need a source. This can not be true since the D-Wade Sidekick just came out last Tuesday anyway. Stop reposting rumors: Someone keeps putting this in the article "This latest version is currently in development and should be around or smaller than the current hiptop. It is rumored to have a QXVGA screen, 2+ megapixel camera with video capability, and a capability for bigger memorycard to be put into it. It will be coming out either around Q2-Q3 OF 2007 or Q2-Q3 2008." Again stop posting rumors! AJ 12:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split / Revision proposal 2

I'm going to layout a full set of suggested changes for updating this page, including new wpd pages. Anyone else paying enough attention to get involved?

I'd like to help out with the changes. Also I think the differences between the original hiptop (b&w and color) and the hiptop2 merit a new article for the hiptop2. Which means taking off the picture here and getting a good picture of the original. --Bmalicoat 22:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split / Revision proposal

I propose that this page be either split into new pages reflecting the product revisions or split into section detailing strengths and weaknesses of each version.

[edit] hiptop2

hmm no article about the hiptop2?

[edit] Hidden Features?

Are these appropriate for inclusion in a Wikipedia article? The Jade Knight 18:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

What is the concern? Steve 14:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC-6)

[edit] OS 2.1 and other versions

No mention is made of differences in versions. Fido, and I assume other carriers, do not yet have 2.3, and thus have no JavaScript in their browsers, among other things. Fido also does not make Yahoo! IM available. 24.235.99.74 16:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)



What are the hidden features? I think they are important. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.62.246.1 (talk)

[edit] Attention flag

I marked this with attention because it uses second person, and more importantly, it reads like a brochure. Wikipedia is not meant to sell a product, it's meant to describe things. This article is full of salesspeak/fanlove. I believe the original author of the article posted it to both everything2 and wikipedia at about the same time. I don't know if Everything2's guidelines consider this kosher, but this article is in need of a deep rewrite here. --Improv 15:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relaibility issues

To make this article even-handed, some mention must be made of reliability issues, especially with the Sidekick I.

[edit] Remove Data Stored on Remote Server Error

This is no longer a problem with the Sidekick 2. Even in a Area with out Coverage you have access to all you User personal Data. All Task, Calendar items, Telephone Number, Etc are locally Stored. If you turn off your Wireless service you can see that you still have access to your Data.

[edit] Remove Data Stored on Remote Server Error (Correction)

I wrote this to respond to the post above. As of the hiptop v2.3 update, data like (contacts and notes) are stored on the remote server.

[edit] Merger with Sidekick II

I've proposed merging Sidekick II into this article. It's just a stub, and furthermore, the Sidekick II is just T-Mobile's branding of the Hiptop2. -- Hawaiian717 02:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a fine idea. Just redirect it to Danger Hiptop ? -- BillWeiss | Talk 13:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. Sidekick II had no content that wasn't already here. -- Hawaiian717 15:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] use in the Deaf community

anyone want to write a short blurb about the SK's heavy use in Deaf communities? JoeSmack Talk 17:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I had added this to the page with a fair amount of detail from experience and from contacts in the deaf community. Hope it helped. ZyphBear 04:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Just what i thought it needed. Kudos. :) JoeSmack Talk 14:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big change

I was bold. I removed a lot of the more marketing-seeming content, though I tried to keep any informational content. Differences between the 1 and 2 are now discussed. I reworded some of the "Use By the Hearing-impared" section for grammar, readability and personal preference. Reworded the first bullet in Press to be more clear.

I don't think that this is enough to remove the cleanup tag, but it's a start. Please let me know (here or via my user page) if you disagree with me on some of this.

-- BillWeiss | Talk 21:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

  • By and large, I think your changes are a good thing. --Improv 22:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, good :) -- BillWeiss | Talk 12:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Advertisement" press

Since someone's reverted this change, I'll just ask everyone who cares about the topic: should this article include some of the positive press of the Sidekick? If so, should it be worded differently from what it is now?

I'm going to make what seems like a reasonable edit to make this less of an advertisement. I would appreciate comments. -- BillWeiss | Talk 12:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Sidekick" vs "Hiptop"

Please do not change the information in this article to rename the product the Sidekick. The 'Sidekick' is a T-Mobile branded version of the 'HipTop' made by Danger. It is ONLY known as Sidekick when sold through T-Mobile. All other phone providers as well as the manufacturer, Danger, refer to it as the 'Hiptop'.
Also, please do not state information about "Upcoming" products until they are publically available and confirmed. The Hiptop3/Sidekick3 has not been officially announced, nor can any of the details about this product be confirmed at this time. ZyphBear 13:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

First of all, good edit!
That being said, I think that it should be allowable to mention the upcoming Hiptop 3, as long as the mention is labeled as speculation and/or hearsay. There's something to be said for rumors.
-- BillWeiss | Talk 17:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
172.162.111.180 Made some great edits adding a lot of new verifiable information about the Hiptop 3, but also changed a lot of references to Hiptop back to Sidekick or added references suggesting that "Sidekick" is the correct name (e.g. changing ===Hiptop 2=== to ===Sidekick 2 (Hiptop 2)===.
If you wish to make a case for giving preference to T-Mobile's brand over the manufacturer's brand, why not explain it here so that others don't have to keep reverting each other's edits? Jzerocsk 17:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
It has been mentioned many times before, Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball. Information that isn't verifiable through stated reliable sources should not be published. Technically, No one has announced the Hiptop3/Sidekick3 at all. Not Danger, not T-Mobile, not any of the other carriers. Anything released until then is all rumors and heresay, which it has been mentioned very specifically doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Once any official details are released, I think it would be good to have a table of features that are covered in all the models.
And Technically, there are NOT 4 versions of the Hiptop, there are (currently) 2 with a 3rd "Possibly" being on the way. The Hiptop 1 was released with a B&W then a Color Screen, still considered the same model, just like the 4G iPod then the "4G iPod with color screen", none of the features changed past the new screen.ZyphBear 20:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Considering that the color hiptop is a different hardware build and runs a significant revision of the OS (OS1.3 was *massively* overhauled for color support and a bunch of related changes), I'd certainly consider the grayscale and color "original" hiptops distinct products. We certainly did inside the company. Another fun fact: the color hiptop ran at 48MHz, the grayscale one at 24MHz.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.81.243.122 (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

As of 6/20/2006, Sidekick 3 is officially announced by Danger and reviewers such as Gizmodo have now been permitted to put up pictures and information. All of the features attributed to the SK3 can be easily verified at this point - it's no longer speculation. It's interesting to note that based on what Danger has on their site, the actual name of the 3rd-gen device is actually "Sidekick 3."
Anyway, truth be told, I didn't want to simply criticize 172.162.111.180 for the Hiptop->Sidekick edits without at least acknowledging that he also added some good information, too. Jzerocsk 20:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
We are speaking about the little "picture" on Danger's site as the "official annoucement" right? They do technically say to come back on July 10th for the announcement. No specifics are given showing features that are different other than having MSN, MP3 player, the bluetooth and 1.2 megapixel camera. No price point. Not saying if 7/10 is the official release or just announcement. Nor any informaton saying that this version will be exclusive to T-Mobile and not be released around the world (which sounds a little far-fatched.) Nor saying what your pricepoint is if you already have a SK2.
And the review sites always get them early, that's what they do. That's also why their version is called "review units", which means they could be different from the final version. Some press got the Motorola Q almost a year before it was released and changes were made to it many times. They don't have to get "permission" to put up pics. In fact, some have gotten in trouble for releasing info early about a product.
Oh and yea, i made a revision then removed it to not cause another arguement. I'm not saying those edits done by the unregistered user was totally bad, just not to include the Sidekick3 in the information until there is a FINAL version. (now also to make a note, some compaies have had different version of a product based on the provider. After all, MSN has been available overseas for awhile now. (Look at hiptop.com's main story). ZyphBear 20:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Connectivity

Will the Sidekick 3's BlueTooth mean that a person with a BlueTooth-equipped laptop can connect to the Internet via their Sidekick and GPRS and/or CSD?

Reply:

The bluetooth in sk3 is currently version 1.2 and is only for use with bluetooth headsets.

[edit] Sidekick/Hiptop 3 info

I've purchase and used a Sidekick 3 (from T-Mobile), a production unit. I've added a bit to the article about it and verified any existing data. -- BillWeiss | Talk 06:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Still needs some work

This article still needs work. I'm pretty sure most of the facts aren't correct but I want to double check them all before editing. That being said not much is cited, so I'll try to nab some sources. I'm still new at editing/writing on wikipedia so bare with me. MinusX 10:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Any reason for hardware to keep Hiptop 2 info right after it? It's not even the latest anymore and it really should cover all the bases right?MinusX 10:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you guys put something in here about manufacturing..Japan? or Japanese company using factory in ?..how is it distributed...69.130.190.143 02:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)fletch


[edit] Photographs of Danger Hiptops

The photographs of the Danger Hiptop that are currently displayed on the article are okay, altough they could look better. My suggestion is to obtain photographs of each version with the screem flipped open and flipped closed. This would reveal more of the device, and thus being more efficiant. TBoy 87417 04:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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