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[edit] I removed this from the page
I removed the following from the page:
The Dalek Lieutenant from Dr Who & The Daleks has also made a guest appearance in a web-series episode of BUCKY O' HARE, at http://www.geocities.com/bohweb/vengeance.txt
Reason: I don't think we should be using Wiki to promote fanfic. Samboy 02:47, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Colours?
Should mention be made of the colour system in use in the earlier films? Black for supreme is here, but red was certainly military and blue, iirc, was 'scientist' of some kind.
- The earlier films aren't (by any stretch) canon - we do mention that they were painted in a variety of bright colours under "Standard Dalek", but don't go beyond that. --khaosworks 05:11, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Black/Supreme Dalek
Was the Black/Supreme Dalek in Mission to the Unknown or The Daleks' Master Plan and if not, who was leading them then because it isn't mentioned on this page? --GingerM 19:10, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
- It was the Dalek Supreme. -khaosworks 19:32, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
May I ask. Is the identifcation of early dalek ep of the "black daleks" being the supreme dalek an interpretion, or something stated in a dalek ep of doctor who...if so in what story lines? In Resurrection of the Daleks, its very clear that the "supreme dalek" reffers to the leader of all the daleks, and I suggest the very title "THE supreme dalek" might indicate (but not prove) that he is in fact the leader of all daleks? The article does seem to argee in part with whats been put forth - namely that the supreme dalek as in some story lines been ID as the daleks leader, but I am wondering if "black dalek" = supreme dalek is an interpretion? If so then while its true that black daleks = dalek of rank, a commander... "the black dalek need not equal the supreme dalek". It might also be put forward, that the supreme dalek might well be "a black dalek" - but not all black daleks are "THE black dalek of excellence", or the supreme dalek (and i suggest the supreme dalek, might be a black dalek "voted" in a dalek supreme. Maybe the confusion could be dissolved ploit wise by being more general (in respect to "gray daleks".... merely by saying a black/white/silver or gold dalek, is a dalek of notable rank. The leader of all daleks, has been at times been ID-ed as the emporer, and at times been refered to as the supreme dalek. In many ways one might veiw the dalek command structure like acient rome... that the emporer was not always "the leader of all". I think this interrpetion as a lot going for it, after all. The planet of the daleks refers to a council of daleks, presumably... having members of black daleks as its members, and one can have both emporer daleks and supreme daleks existing (and the supreme dalek) at the same time. With either the supreme dalek or the emperor of being of higher "rank". Given the doomsdsay ep, the cult of skaro's importance, with a (note - not THE) black dalek in control. This seems to imply this possibility. - danny -
[edit] 'Remembrance' Photo
I must say I find the photo I've included here, currently used in the article, really jarring in the way the energy ray, death ray, exterminator ray or whatever you want to call it, is emanating from the weapon at an angle. I don't have an appropriate replacement for it unfortunately, but I'd like to see it replaced personally jamesgibbon 12:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I've replaced it with another shot which looks slightly better. Ideally, I'd have liked one from the new series, but there are no shots with a full-body Dalek seen firing its weapon (except at the start of The Parting of the Ways, but the effect is spoiled because the beams impact on the TARDIS force field). --khaosworks 13:25, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
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- Nice! More than slightly better, I think. Personally, while I like the new Dalek design, I think that older, more 'classic' designs should be represented too. Cheers jamesgibbon 14:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- Does a shot really NEED to be full-body tho Khaos? There are certainly upper-body shots of Dalek's firing (straight) in the new series, and there are full-body shots elsewhere in the article. - SoM 21:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I just like the idea of showing it in relation to the whole Dalek, especially early on in the article. It's also an issue of aesthetics — none of the screenshots I've taken look quite "right" to me, and in the end I think it's nice to see a "classic" Dalek do its thing. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Flying Daleks
I'm a little concerned about the note that "Daleks can fly." The wording makes it sound like they've always been able to conquer stairs. Is that true, or should it be worded to note that they developed levitation? --Joe Sewell 16:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, as usual the evidence is equivocal. We see Daleks moving on upper levels as early as The Chase, with no readily apparent explanation of how they got there. However, there were also a few stories in which their inability to climb stairs was a plot point (the Doctor even remarked on it in Destiny of the Daleks). Should we perhaps say, "...some Daleks can fly"? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know that "fly" is really the operative word; it seems to suggest a different mode of propulsion and travel. Surely the Daleks are merely hovering? Or, well, LE-VI-TATing. They're not exactly aerodynamic. They don't soar. They just... rise up, then bumble forward as if they were on the ground. --71.139.18.66 01:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree, and its true about plot points. However its a worthy note to make that tom bakers doctor, had slowed the development of the daleks by at least a 1000 yrs. Thus having a significant effect on the time/plot line. (and darvos, the creator of the daleks lives) However how do you justify the daleks dependency of an "anti-gravity" disk (that is not intergrated onto the dalek bodies) in planet of the daleks?(pertwee's doctor). I disagree with the "aerodynamic" point of being of any fundermental issue, dispite being true - manily because how they "fly" is reflective of there motion on the ground. (would you say helicopters don't fly? - for sake of analogy) - Danny -
[edit] Cult of Skaro Daleks
Do the Daleks of the Cult of Skaro really need seperate entries? I can imagine we add Sec to the villains, but I don't see a need for the other Daleks to have a seperate page.
- The individual pages are up for AfD, and look likely to be turned into redirects. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question, or rather a statement.
You have no way of knowing if the daleks of the cult of skaro was sucked into the void (unless you saw them in slow motion on your recorder). IF so then its possible that the temp shift, shifted not just sek. (possibliy other daleks two)
- danny
- A good point, and I've edited the section accordingly. (By the way, Danny, you can sign your posts by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pepperpots
Both this article and the main Dalek one describe daleks as looking like salt / pepper shakers. I know it's a traditional shorthand, and one well worth mentioning, but can anyone come up with a more appropriate description of their shape? I know I've never seen a pepperpot that looks much like a dalek; and while there are photos, not all readers will use the standard visual presentation of wikipedia. I'll try to think of something myself. Chris Thornett 17:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Self-referencing
Encyclopedic style specifically opposes the use of self-referencing phrases like "this article" in an encyclopedia article. I'm removing it from the start of the article, rephrasing the sentence. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 22:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Categories
Do you think we should install the Daleks into the category of Fictional demons? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.27 (talk) 11:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Cult of Skaro
According to this article, they are called Dalek Thay, Dalek Caan, Dalek Rabe, and a black Dalek named Dalek Sec. "Dalek" has them as Dalek "Thay", Dalek "Caan", Dalek "Jast" and Dalek "Sec". (The difference being one has Jast and one has Rabe.) Which is right? If this isn't corrected by the time I've got to that DVD, I'll do it myself - I'm watching the series right now. I'm on the first Cyberman episode...:p 88.109.69.0 15:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
A Black Dalek (allegedly Sek) appears in the "Season 3" Trailer, as shown on the BBC after the 2006 Christmas special. -- Simon Cursitor 10:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
So, what is the answer? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.21.166.50 (talk • contribs) 18:50, March 25, 2007 (UTC)
- The original script had "Rabe", but this was changed to "Jast" in the final dub. Some publications, which were working from the script, used "Rabe", but "Jast" is what was used on-air, so that's what we should use. (I got confused recently and made the wrong change at Doomsday (Doctor Who) — sorry.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hemispheres on Daleks
I had a very different POV of the hemispheres when I watched Dalek. The hemispheres provide the 'force field' that defends the Dalek. These were used to contain the explosion when the Dalek self destructed so it wouldn't kill Rose. I feel this makes much more sense than the statement: "However, in Dalek (2005) they are part of a self-destruct system." Unless there is a statement from the writer that backs this statement, I would remove it or clarify it (or add the reference if it exists). I cannot believe the hemispheres are there just in case the Dalek decides it needs to self destruct. The 'force-field' theory while also just a theory seems to make more sense to me. -- [Random Dr Who Fan ] March 14, 2007
