Talk:Dagesh

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Looking up mapiq in wikipedia redirects you to dagesh, however, the only mention of mapiq on the dagesh page is that it looks like dagesh, but has a completly different phonetic function.

1 Dagesh Kal; Dagesh Hazzak?
2 Mappik
3 rules for dagesh?
4 Mnemonics

[edit] Dagesh Kal; Dagesh Hazzak?

The article mentions Dagesh Kal and Dagesh Hazzek without saying what they are. There should at least be a short 'definition' of what they are and how they relate to Dagesh. -- 85.72.13.23 21:09, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mappik

The mappik is a dot that looks like a dagesh. It is inserted in a final heh to indicate that the letter is pronounced as a consonant, even though it is found at the end of a word. The mappik also indicates that the heh is part of the root of the word. Source: Jacobson, Chanting the Hebrew Bible, pp. 295-6.

Since mappiq and dagesh are quite distinct, and merely visually identical, I see no reason to give details of mappiq in this article – the link alone should suffice. Also worth mentioning the (again visually identical) piercing that turns a vav into a shuruq. Vilĉjo 16:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, contrary to what Jacobson reportedly indicates above, the primary use of mapiq is in the feminine third-person possessive, as in, for example achah, "her brother", where the final h has a mapiq. Tom e r ^talk 04:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Just because they have different semantics doesn't mean it doesn't bear mention. Confusion between a mapiq and a Dagesh is common, and so the distinction is worth mention. Vonfraginoff 21:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rules for dagesh?

Anybody want to take a stab at the rules for dagesh insertion, or perhaps Hebrew nikud rules in general? I can barely remember my lessons on this subject, and don't have a reference grammar handy Vonfraginoff 21:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)