Talk:DAEMON Tools

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Contents 1 Expansion 2 Copyright infringement illegal? 3 Spyware 4 Adware/Spyware? Where?

[edit] Expansion

I don't know personally, but wouldn't this be a good place to put reasons why Daemon Tools are useful? Aside from its actual function, what would it actually be used to do? Are there legitimate uses for it, aside from bypassing copyright protection? Thray 14:27, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, this article's bit about copyright infringment REALLY makes it seem like this program (and all others like it) have NO legitimate use, and that is ENTIRELY not the case. Needs heavy revision. --Anonymous 02:29, 23 April 2006 (CST)

That is a good idea, I'll probably make a section called Uses and then put a link to disk image emulator (since the reasons why people use this program would be similiar to other disk image emulation programs) and give a quick summary.

I really hope this software is released under a open source license (like the GNU GPL), too many good closed sourced programs like this, and DVD Shrink / DVD Decryptor are being threatened out of existance because of the copyright war. --ShaunMacPherson 19:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

There are indeed legitimates reasons to use this. People who have a lot of games or other software which require the CD to be in to use find it very irritating to constantly have to change the CD in the drive. Also, copying a CD to an image on the hard disk is a valid way to prevent scratching of an expensive original disk. And also, some people don't waste money on CD-ROM drives on all their machines, preferring to have just one machine with a CD drive and use that machine to make images which are moved over a LAN to the machine that uses the software. Ben Morris 18:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright infringement illegal?

The article says that "copyright infingement is illegal in most countries". It was my understanding that copyright infringement is always illegal, and in places where it is not, this is because it is not considered copyright infringement. That is to say, in countries that have copyright laws, infringing those will always be illegal, it is just that different things count as infringement in different countries. Also, copying of closed source copyrighted material is not necessarily copyright infringement, as most countries have fair use provisions (e.g. there is often an archival and/or personal use provision). --Superiority 00:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

It's infrigement from developers point of view. :) Rikis 08:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

You may have a point. However: If US - which has laws - stuff is copied in Uganda - which might have no such thing - it might still be called infringement by the US party, or am I seeing things too relatively? Zanaq 19:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Depends on the status of their treaties regarding intellectual property rights.

2CENTS: I think it has a strong 'anti-piracy' bias. There are many legitimate uses for the program and they should be addressed.

[edit] Spyware

I am changing "adware" to "spyware" in the Daemon Tools description because WhenU SaveNow is known to do affiliate cookie hijacking. Dajhorn 06:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

All this is really disgusting, optional or not... Many people like myself just want to install a needed program fast, and then click yes and yes, not paying much attention to what the different screens says. Personally, I first became aware of the problem when "Windows Defender" warned me about possible unwanted software being installed, and I managed to get rid of it. If Windows Defender wasn't installed I'd properly have installed this spyware crap without even noticing anything. I am sure this happends to a lot of people. I'll never use Daemon Tools again.

[edit] Adware/Spyware? Where?

I'm using daemon tools for a long time and i sever saw any spyware on it. If you mean optional trash you can toggle on install... then i may have disabled it every time. But i can't remember. And i definitely don't have spyware on my computer. I use many tools and check very often. And this is a pretty well-known spyware you're talking about. So: Where is it? You must add external references to this thesis, or else i'll remove the parts about the ad/spyware. (See "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable.") (I got captcha-enabled scripts to ensure this.) Because to me this looks like slander from alcohol soft. Please explain & verify! Thank you!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.57.59 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC).

It is indeed "optional trash you can toggle on install". Try installing it with every checkbox on to verify for yourself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomas Castiglione (talk • contribs) 11:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC).

I just installed it straight off their web site. I think the "however the installation is optional and can be deselected during the install process" is disingenuous because it doesn't label it as spyware; it says "Daemon Tools Search Bar - sponsor displays contextual links and offers (Internet connection required)". I presume this is the spyware, but it's masquerading behind technogibberish. It doesn't flag it as spyware/adware or optional. If you didn't know any better (and if you weren't looking for it) it would be easy to miss. As for the "easily uninstalled", well, you have to know it's there. This is spyware by stealth. Because the existing text makes it out to be flagged out and easily deselected, well, that just isn't true. I'm changing the page on this basis. And to Daemon if you are listening, I think this really stinks. I will however keep my edits clear and unemotional. I also checked the WhenU web site which says it is "The SearchBar interface and new user enhancements, designed to maximize your online and desktop experiences." This doesn't make clear it's spyware/adware nature. Under the circumstances, I think it's fair to call this what it is. Shame on you, daemon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.213.7.133 (talk) 12:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

This article seems to contradict the wikipedia entry on spyware. Specifically "Spyware is computer software that collects personal information about users without their informed consent. " Daemon tools insures you know whats you're installing, from beginning to end, and it can even be unistalled without any hassle at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.168.26.244 (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed it back to adware. Although it may be misleading, I would not consider its means of installation as deceitful. Any other changes should probably be fully thrashed out on this page before addition. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 19:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the adware section should be moved to the end of the article, or atleast after uses.