Talk:Düsseldorf

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Is there some reason this whole page has to be HTML table hell? Any objection if I trim it down to something ordinary humans might be able to edit? --LDC

Parts of this article seem to be lifted straight from http://www.filtecheuropa.com/venue_03_e.htm . Possible copyright violation? Does anyone object if the apparently copied material is removed? --Brion VIBBER

I'm not quite sure if the wrong spelling "Duesseldorf" should be maintained. Does anyone object if I replace everything with "Düsseldorf" and move this page over? Timwi 18:57 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

... Done -- Timwi 14:07 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
It was not "wrong" spelling, it was just the standard-ASCII way to write the umlaut. Apparently it once had the policy not to use the umlauts in the article names, mostly because of problems with the searching function. However these seem to be solved, and thus this policy is probably obsolete. See also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject German districts, there we had the same discussion just recently. andy 14:18 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I've seen the discussion (thank you for the pointer), and it seems other pages have been moved to the title containing the umlauted letter, so I'll assume it's okay I continue the practice of moving misspelt city or district names over to the correct spelling.
P.S. Yes, it is wrong spelling (ask any spell checker of your choice) and only an informally accepted practice due to the technological limitations that Latin-1, and more recently Unicode, have overcome. It therefore has no place in an encyclopedia. It's similar to the situation in HTML: Certain HTML tags are popular simply because Internet Explorer understands them, but that doesn't make them valid HTML (the best example probably being <marquee>). (Wow, I've never thought of this comparison before. I think I like it.) -- Timwi 17:48 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

F. Moritz and 212.202.14.115, please stop deleting useful links. If you do not find them useful, simply do not click on them. They do not do any harm. Also, instead of deleting, it is better to improve the link, if needed, or improve the linked article - Patrick 08:30 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

That is a case in point: "Clara and Robert Schumann as well as Felix Mendelssohn-Bartoldy consolidate Dusseldorf...". The shortcuts are okay, Robert Schumann and Felix Mendelssohn-Bartoldy are part of the article.

Exemple for wrong shortcuts: "one of the biggest German stock exchanges is located here" or "The German Opera House". The visitor knows what an opera is. But he expects local links to the opera Düsseldorf, not to the general description.

Next Link: "Taking a Deutsche Bahn train is a relaxing...". What does "train" have to do with the ->DÜSSELDORF<- article???? Excuse me, this is nonsense and I cannot tolerate it in my article. (Felix 22 Jun 2003)

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I agree to your examples, Wapcaplet, but linking to train is really rather silly and in fact distracting (it makes the reader think "huh? train?" and then wonder if there might be something in the train article that is relevant to Düsseldorf). Same for Opera. As for stock exchange, that is more like a borderline case, so I would probably rather leave it in. -- Timwi 16:24 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Most of those I linked in a hurry, and only because they were linked in the original linked versions. I agree that they could use some culling, but linking practically nothing at all is very un-Wikipedia-like. When in doubt, it seems better to me to link more, rather than less. As long as it doesn't get distracting. -- Wapcaplet 18:06 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I do not think there is anything wrong linking train, opera and stock exchange. If someone argues that he/she does not find it worth the effort to put these links I respect that, it is not compulsory to put them. However, deleting them is an entirely different matter. I think it is silly to get confused by a link to train. It is very simple and clear: that is an article about trains in general, not specially those in Düsseldorf. Now that trains are mentioned somebody may decide that he/she wants to read about those in general. - Patrick 22:52 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)


OK, good solution, thx for your understanding. (Felix 22 Jun 2003)

Pssst: http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Userlogin  :-) -- Timwi 21:53 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

This article reads like a tourist brochure rather than an encylopedia article. G-Man 23:06, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think it is a tourist brochure...how to deal with it, though? john k 00:52, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Population is OK!

Please don't change the population or the keyfacts! Thx

Yapp, population is ok, check www.lds.nrw.de -> Statistik -> Amtliche Bevölkerungszahlen -> Regierungsbezirk Düsseldorf.

[edit] Removed 2nd para

I removed the 2nd para, which has already been discussed. It read like a tourist promotional statement perhaps because it was one - it is the same as text at: http://www.germany-tourism.de/e/dest_cities_duesseldorf_e.html

I have no objection to a para saying some clear things about what the city is like but this was in ridiculous TIC-speak. It was a bit lazy of someone to paste it straight in, if they did, and if they did have permission (or, Heaven forfend, if the wiki article is the original and the other site copied it!) it was a bit lazy of them not to explain this when it was queried. Even if it was original, it's not really the right feel for an encyclopedia. It could only really be used by saying something like "Düsseldorf would like to be seen as ..." or something, but it should not appear to be a statement from the wiki itself. 138.37.199.146 07:50, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Telecommunicatons Center

Although there may be more ISPs than in many other cities, Duesseldorf is far away from being the "top" telecommuntions center of Germany. The most important city for Telcos/ISPs is still Frankfurt. So I replaced 'top' with 'a'. If this sounds not good, feel free to edit it. --217.249.41.171 10:21, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Habermas ?

Would it not be a good idea to include also Jürgen Habermas as a very well-known person linked to Düsseldorf, (even or because) if Mittelstraß is already included ?

Yes, it would. I did it.

[edit] Düsseldorf vs. Duesseldorf

71.101.16.232 16:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC) By the way, under the Rechtschreibreform (Spelling Reform Act) of 1996, (wiki here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_spelling_reform_of_1996), "Duesseldorf" is a correct and legal spelling. I fully acknowledge the struggle and lack of popular support for it, but it *is* an acceptable spelling. (This is NOT, by the way, to be in anyway interpreted or mistaken as an opinion as to which one is truly correct -- only an observation that according to the government, 'Duesseldorf' is the correct spelling.)

Well, the last time I was in Düsseldorf, about 3 weeks ago, all road signs showed me the spelling Düsseldorf. and on the official site, which is in fact http://www.duesseldorf.de, the spelling is Düsseldorf. And if you search a bit further, the bylaw of city proclaims the official name to be Düsseldorf. The spelling with ue instead of ü is an official German solution to support typewriters which do not support umlauts. Today, this solution is obsolete in German speaking countries for each typewriter or computer has umlaut keys, it is just interesting for non German people who lack umlaut keys on their keyboards. But just because this procedure is accepted in exceptional cases, this is not an alternate spelling. 80.136.223.174 14:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I am very concerned about the above comment, since in the reform mention by User:71.101.16.232 (1) Place names and family names were excluded from the reform; and (2) the reform did not eliminate umlauted vowels. Bejnar 15:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Nonetheless, "Dusseldorf" is the normal spelling in English, and should be the name of the article on wikipedia, see WP:UE. Arker 01:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi All, I am from India and I am shortly visiting Dusseldorf, I need some information regarding the same. A word of help would be a kind and great gesture. 1. What is the approx daily expenditure on food (economy) 2. Can I get paying guest accomodation 3. Can I get an electronic shop where I can purchase converter for my DELL laptop. I have plugs in my laptop which will not work there. Please let me know the area where these kind of shops exist, and if you have the phone numbers. Regards, Lokesh

[edit] Districts

I am adding back in the administrative breakdown of the city. I feel that it is important to link to the Districts, and the List of Boroughs. But putting in both the Düsseldorf Urban Districts template and the Rhineland-Westphalia template was obviously a bit much. Bejnar 15:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

I created a new demographics section, using material I found in the history section - this is a standard section in larger city articles. I don't know Düsseldorf, so I can't add more info, but perhaps someone here could expand this along the lines of Berlin#Demographics. Thanks! Walkerma 05:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sounds a little bit like a tourist brochure in places

The "Kö", which stands for Königsallee (King's Avenue) is the street to go shopping in Düsseldorf. Some of the most reputed jewellery shops, designer labels and galleries have their stores here, such as Cartier, Aigner, Lacoste, Eickhoff, Jil Sander, Benetton, Gucci, Esprit, Laurel, Armani, Chanel, Escada, Hugo Boss, Joop, Kookaï, Prada and many more.

This kind of stuff sounds a little bit too much like a tourist brochure or the predictable blart every chamber of commerce turns out from Baltimore to Ulan Baataar. "The street to go shopping"? Who is this article supposed to be addressing? Personally I want to find out about what places are really like and I consider designer labels offensive and to be avoided. The economy sounds all great and rosy and lovely and full of banks—Kraftwerk wrote a song about that—but what is the cost? Is decent housing affordable for everybody? Have small businesses been driven to the wall by all the big companies? Maybe not, but the economic picture in the article so obviously ignores the dark side that I can't help wondering. I'm not saying you need to trash the place. Just make it a bit more believable. Ireneshusband 05:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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