Talk:Cyril Vosper

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I must have some non-sucky photos of Cyril somewhere in the boxes of photos I still have back in Perth ... - David Gerard 13:12, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Mind Benders

• Anyone think that The Mind Benders should be split off into its own article on the book itself? Its gone through two publications, plus there's the online edition, and its notability due to its attempted suppression... Then the rest of the Cyril Vosper article could focus on the individual. Smeelgova 11:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC).

Done. Smee 04:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Schwarz's mother

I believe I have read that Vosper's attempt to deprogram Barbara Schwarz came by the request of Schwarz's mother. Obviously if so, this is important information for the article. Can anyone find an RS for this? -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, a lot of other parts of this article need to be expanded, and citations added... Smee 04:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Can be found here Ingo Heinemann: Anmerkungen zu Hartwigs Buch "Die Schattenspieler". Ingo Heinemann is an attorney and scientology critic. The page is about a book that (wrongly) accused him of being involved in that deprogramming 25 years ago. That page is his rebuttal, which also mentions that he was never indicted or contacted for an investigation. This is the text that mentions the mother:

1987 hat Cyril Vosper im Auftrag der Mutter einer Scientologin zusammen mit zwei weiteren Engländern die Tochter in ein von der Mutter angemietetes Haus gelockt und eingesperrt and Offenbar hatte die Mutter den Engländern nicht gesagt, dass ihre Tochter nicht eine beliebige Scientologin war, sondern die frühere Pressesprecherin Barbara Schwarz.

--Tilman 05:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand now what you meant with Barbara Schwarz/Hartwig. Misou 00:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conviction and Sentence

According to Ingo Heinemann [1]: "Vosper wurde nach zwei Monaten Untersuchungshaft zu 5 Monaten Freiheitsstrafe auf Bew?ung verurteilt." it means he was sentenced to five months probation, but did spend two months in jail awaiting trial. He was convicted of "joint deprivation of liberty legally concurring with jointly causing bodily harm". This is not the same as "kidnapping". There is a translation of the court decision here [2], sadly not from an reliable source. --Tilman 16:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)