Talk:Cutter (professional wrestling)
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[edit] Exclamation Point?
Who came up with the name "Exclamation Point" for the lifting rolling cutter? I don't recall ever hearing that move named in that manner before reading it here. --70.181.59.230 21:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- i think its from british wrestling as the information was from british wrestler Ross Jordan -- Paulley
[edit] Keep them seperate
Although they both are three quarter facelock holds the moves themselves are different enough and to observers different moves. --- Lid 01:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
They must stay seperate they are different variations of a three quarter facelock move... its like saying we should put Powerbomb and Piledriver together because they both start with the opponent head between the attacking wrestlers legs --- Paulley 11:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
We should keep them seperate. They are two different moves. Compare how Randy Orton stalks his opponent as he waits to do an RKO, while Stone Cold kicks to the gut and drops to his but, driving the opponents JAW into his shoulder. The RKO drives the upper part of the head into the mat. This is like saying we should put NBA (National Basketball Association) superstars in the WNBA (Womens National Basketball Association) just because they each play basketball.
I nominate we stop using really bad similes to disagree with this. --- Lid 13:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Lol, fair enough... though it was starting to get fun --- Paulley 15:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Xtream Twist Of Fate
shouldnt there be a section for the Xtream Twist Of Fate?
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- thats a neckbreaker... see Neckbreaker#Reverse_Twist_of_Fate --- Paulley
Ok, thanks, i wasnt sure what it was
[edit] William Regal invented the Diamond Cutter
Because I do not have direct sources to this information, it keeps getting reverted.
WCW/WWF/WWE veteran William Regal is the person responsible for the creation of the 3/4 Facelock Neckbreaker, and it's non locked offshoot Inverted Neckbreaker. Johnny Ace claims he is the person who invented it, however several veterans of the industry claim that Regal was the person who invented it. Regal himself stated as such, backed up by Chris Benoit, Diamond Dallas Page, Eddy Guerrero, Steve Austin & David Taylor in numerous interviews and online articles in the now defunct WCW website. It was also sourced in an old PWI Magazine, and also on the air when Diamond Dallas Page started using it.
William Regal also taught the variation that is the Stone Cold Stunner to Steve Austin in training, when Austin was trying to figure out what move he should have as a Finisher, and Regal told him try that.
Also the term "bulldog" is incorrect because a Bulldog can only be done from a Headlock position, which is the victim's head being under your arm, not over it as in this move. The "bulldog" part never was, and never will be part of the actual move name.
- Well i know the term bulldog is used for the motion of the early cutters in which a wrestler is placed in this head lock and draged forward and down (i.e. your normal bulldog but with a different headlock), the inverted neckbreaker is simply that (a neckbreaker put with the person the other way round) which is a more common motion of a cutter. As for Darren Matthews inventing the cutter move and teaching the stunner to Austin; please by all means find some written evidence and it will be included (well obviously the Stunner stuff would go in that article). Also the Stunner is a jawbreaker not a neckbreaker --- Paulley
Well therein lies the asinine problem with Wikipedia.
How do you provide a source for interviews that are not available online? How do you provide a source for a defunct company in WCW, which hosted a website with the proof? How do you provide a source for WCW shows which had the announcers talk about it?
The entire world and everything that happened in it is not available online for the "proof" that you require.
Many articles in this website have no sources or proof, and only because they were the first person to make the page, it's deemed true? I have seen more than a dozen pages with false information, but because the only proof I have are defunct websites, live speech that was not recorded, and video interviews with people that are not online, the original person's false article remains.
Such is this place, if you write it first, it's true.
