Talk:Cruz Hernández
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[edit] Proof of age
This is from the Gerontology Research Groups website (about another person who they rejected, but it's relevant)
"Fewer than 1,000 persons have reached 110 (98 percent are dead by 115, while 99 percent are dead by 116). Consider the chance that anyone could live from age 115 to age 125. This would on the order of 1 in 1,000, i.e., the same probability as getting ten consecutive "Heads" when flipping a fair coin. The GRG has recorded only 17 documented individuals as having reached age 115 (and five of these are doubtful). Therefore, this Brazilian case has to be treated as extremely dubious. The older the claimed age, the more rigorous the standard to which it must be held, or as the late Dr. Carl Sagan used to say, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
[edit] Blasphemous/libellous comments in the article
Re: the below comments:
"..., even though official documentation was sent to them. This is probably because their main researcher, Robert Young, couldn't be bothered as he doesn't like anybody outside America making a valid claim and felt it more convenient to have her die unverified."
The above comments show complete ignorance and DISREGARD for facts and the truth...not simply the facts and truth and Ms. Cruz Hernandez but the facts and truth about myself and Guinness World Records. Last I checked, I accepted the Maria Capovilla case which was from Ecuador...outside the USA. I did receive contact info. from the Hernandez claim but despite repeated requests for documentation, NOTHING was ever sent to me. If you choose to believe unproven speculation, that is your prerogative. If you choose to believe in UFO's and Martians, that is up to you. I cannot control people claiming to have documents but turn around and not submit them. This reminds me of the Leonid Stadnik claim to be 8'4. Why has he refused to be measured? One has to wonder, perhaps he is not the height claimed.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 10:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Further, one may notice that I started this article. If I didn't care you wouldn't see this article, or me posting anything on Wikipedia at all. The irony is that those that don't care, you wouldn't criticize, because you wouldn't even know who it was that didn't care.
User 86 obviously hates the USA. Validated statistics run by the world's top research demographic firms, such as the Max Planck Institute of Rostock, Germany have shown that the USA is the only nation with at least one 113-year-old person living for the last 20 consecutive years. Japan, in that time period, has dipped to as low at age 111. This is in fact due mostly to statistics: the USA has the largest centenarian population, by far (more than twice that of second place, Japan...62,000+ to 28,000+) and thus it is far more likely for someone from the USA to reach age 113, 114, or 115 than someone from nations with far smaller numbers of centenarians. In regards to claims like Cruz Hernandez, if she were born in 1878 she would have turned 110 in 1988, and by 1997 would have been the 'world's oldest person' at age 119...some 8 years before Guinness hired me. Strangely enough, no one sent in an application for this 'oldest person' in the last decade. A DECADE is plenty of time to send in an application...no need for a 'the dog ate my homework' excuse.
Finally, should someone send in the documents posthumously, we would still accept them. Thus one has to wonder whether these alleged documents actually exist. Prior claims (from Brazil, for example) have shown that documents claimed either did not exist or were recently manufactured...a birth certificate issued in 2001 does NOT prove birth in 1875...→ R Young {yakłtalk} 11:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thus one has to wonder whether these alleged documents actually exist. - That claim has to be referenced by external sources, and is not one for us to speculate in. Until then, we need to use the sources we have. If you have a source claiming there was no documents sent in, you need to provide the link(s). -- Northgrove 13:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The media is taking advantage here. First, look closely at the stories...there is no 'Guinness reference' (i.e., no one asked Guinness). Therefore for someone to claim that 'documents were sent in, but Guinness didn't accept' is entirely based on one side of the story. It's like 'he said, she said' and asking only what 'she said.' Scientifically...this case is 6+ years older than the oldest verified person of all time, which should require extraordinary evidence to prove. Instead we have an end-around, the dog-ate-my homework but its true anyway strategy. Please.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 12:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Claim of lack of evidence
Media cites her lacking a birth attest, but had ID card information and a survey done by the El Salvador government, together having been able to confirm the birth date. The article seems to say the contrary, and in that case we need a reference to the article/material that claims the opposite. Otherwise, we'll have to remove that claim of lacking evidence, because Wikipedia can not have unsourced contradicting material like this. -- Northgrove 13:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings,
The media often mis-report things. For one, as the Senior Consultant for Gerontology for Guinness World Records (see p. 2, 2007 edition), NO documents were ever sent to me regarding this case, despite the fact that I am readily accessible. Again, if anyone would like to submit documents, please do so. However, a simple newspaper citation does not make a story true. Scientists universally agree that age '128' is beyond the realm of proven. Documents issued in 2005 don't prove birth in 1878.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 04:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
