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Protected Template:CrownCopyright has been protected indefinitely. Use {{editprotected}} on this page to request an edit.

Note that this licence has recently become non-free. Images uploaded which are still under Crown Copyright must have a Fair Use rationale to remain on Wikipedia. Images which are no longer covered by Crown Copyright should use the {{PD-BritishGov}} tag instead.

Also note that not everything on a UK government web site is actually under Crown copyright and that the Royal Arms, departmental and agency logos are not covered under the typical terms of use for a website. They cannot be used without specific permission.

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[edit] List of copyright notices

[edit] Related copyright notification pages

[edit] Non-commercial or otherwise a little odd, need separate page

For official HMSO guidance on the matter see Guidance Note 13 on their website.

[edit] Discussion

In the template list, all other templates in the same section as this have a copyright symbol in it, so I feel this template should have the same article.

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--TwelveBaud (disusered) 01:09, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Does crown copyright really allow this?

At least in Canada, Crown copyright appears to permit nothing of the sort ([2]). Could we have some references indicating that (for example) commercial use of Crown copyrighted images is legal? --Andrew 21:40, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

British Crown copyright does, and the licence is referring to British sites. Its naming is rather UK-centric but it's probably too much work to move things now. David Newton 22:33, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why is this page protected?

I would like to fix the wording to indicate that it is specifically protected by the British version of Crown copyrigt, which is free, rather than (say) the Canadian, which isn't. --Andrew 23:34, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] national maritime museum

any solicitors out there want to take a crack at what this means to us?

usable crown copyright? fair use? run away, run away?

National Maritime Museum copyright notice

Seasee 06:32, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's been a while since this was posted, but the relevant section is this:
Permitted use
Access to and use of the Website is permitted only by individuals for personal and/or educational use or non-commercial purposes. Subject to certain limitations there is no infringement by 'fair dealing', e.g. using material for research (non-commercial) or private study, criticism or for news and current affairs.
You may access and download the Content and store a copy on a temporary basis for the sole purpose of viewing such Content without alteration or addition. You may print any Content (other than third party copyright) in whole or in part provided that such reproduction is to be used for personal and educational purposes only.
ie. {{NonCommercial}}. So no, it's not acceptable. However, as it states, fair use (or fair dealing) guidelines may allow for the use of some of the images in the correct context. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 11:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested edit

I think it would be useful to add a <noinclude>...</noinclude> section to the bottom of the template page to the lists of site we can and can't use with this template at the top of this talk page. Maybe something like:

<noinclude>----The licensing terms described in this template do not apply to all British Crown Copyright sources. Please check if the site you are taking images from is included in the list of sites this template applies to, found on the [[Template talk:CrownCopyright|talk page]], before using this template.</noinclude>

AJR | Talk 17:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Court Service now Her Majesty's Courts Service

The link above for Court Service is defunct, the new HMCS website has this page [3] which I imagine is the relevant one. May we interpret

"The material featured on this site is subject to Crown copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. The Crown copyright protected material (other than the Royal Arms and departmental or agency logos) may be reproduced free of charge in any format or medium provided it is reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context. Where any of the Crown copyright items on this site are being republished or copied to others, the source of the material must be identified and the copyright status acknowledged. "

as ok for use on wikipedia? Kurando | ^_^ 09:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

It is essentially the same wording as many of the other sites, and matches what the template says, so I'd assume so. -- AJR | Talk 11:56, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List reviewed

I have gone through the list of allowed sites, above, updating links, etc. There were some where the current statement on the deptartment website would put the site into the "can't use" list - I have struck through these entries. In these cases, where the permission has been changed, do we have to track down images used from those sites and delete them, or does the permission from when we took thos eimages apply? -- AJR | Talk 12:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

To be on the safe side, I updated all such images that I uploaded myself with a detailed fair use rationale. I'd recommend that this be done with any others that these changes apply to. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 19:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notice

Please note that there is a dispute at Image talk:Kingcrown.jpg regarding an image from www.royal.gov.uk. The image is listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems (for the second time) under January 26, 2006. Enforcement of Crown Copyright is requested. User:Noisy | Talk 12:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General Register Office (Scotland)

I can't see anything on the [4] copyright notice provided by the site that would preclude use by third parties other than Wikipedia. It seems that all they require is attribution and that the copyright status be acknowledged. If I've missed something important that would prevent images from the site being used, please let me know. Lacking any response, I'll shift the notice into permitted two weeks from posting this message. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 22:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

If you follow the link to the 'click-use' licence site, it seems to say that you actually have to apply for the licence, even for the two categories that are free. I think it's unclear. Better to play on the safe side. Noisy | Talk 16:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not bold

Perhaps an idea to make 'not' bold within may not be relicensed. In my opinion this could prevent misreading. --Hardscarf 10:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-free licence?

After having a look around, I'm beginning to wonder whether or not this license is ever free enough for Wikipedia. Every single instance of the licence includes the clause "subject to its reproduction being accurate". I'm assuming that this is equivalent to disallowing derivatives. All other licences banning derivatives (such as the Creative Commons licenses {{Cc-nd}}, {{cc-by-nd-2.0}}, etc.) are in the category Cat:Non-free image copyright tags, and a note is placed on the template to reflect that. This'd mean that all images in the Crown Copyright category would need to have a fair-use rationale appended. Thoughts? GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 14:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The design of the template seems far too lenient considering the conditions for using works under Crown Copyright. I added a red (C) and also added this to the non-free templates category, since derivative works are not permitted. --tomf688 (talk - email) 03:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Fortunately there seems to be only 263 images in the Crown Copyright category, so this is something we should be able to deal with easily. Personally I would tag all the images with a no-license-speedy-delete warning and notify all the uploaders giving them 7 days to make a fair use claim. ed g2s • talk 16:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Or we could convert it to a "very safe fair use" tag. --Fastfission 18:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Images that were licensed under the Canadian Crown Copyright were either deleted or relicensed, so I think we should follow that example with this category of images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've nothing against keeping the tag itself, expecially since Fair Use tags add that you need to give all available copyright data. It also allows for easy checking when images fall out of Crown Copyright. The tag just needs to make explicit that it's not enough on its own, and needs a Fair Use rationale alongside. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 12:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

So seeing as this isn't a valid license, everything needs to be tagged with no-license and re-evaluated... ed g2s • talk 10:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tag redesign

To make it more obvious that the license is non-free, could the design be changed to resemble {{EU image}} (possibly as shown below)? GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 17:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 This image is protected by British Crown copyright. Limitations on its distribution are defined at the original site of publication, and are not altered by its reproduction here. Those terms may include, but may not be limited to its reproduction being accurate, free of charge in any format or medium, and not used in a misleading context. The source of the material must be identified and the copyright status acknowledged. HMSO has explicitly stated in official correspondence that material under Crown Copyright may not be relicensed under the GFDL.


This is a non-free license, since modification is not permitted
I've gone ahead and made this change to discourage the use of this license. I had already added the red (C), but the previous design was still a bit "soft". I wonder if this can even be used at all without the conjunction of a fair use tag, such as {{withpermission}}. --tomf688 (talk - email) 02:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as this is not a valid license, I suggest all applicable photos be tagged with {{nld}}. ed g2s • talk 21:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
ed g2s, I think you are mistaken. It is a fair use tag, not a license tag, so a fair use rationale is needed, not {{nld}}. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use

Images with this tag automatically fall under WP:FU. I recommended adding the following to the template:

'''To the uploader''': please add a detailed ''fair use rationale'' for each use, as described on [[Help:Image page]], as well as the '''source''' of the work and copyright information.

Such wording seems to have become a standard rubric on fair use tags. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed edit

See Template:CrownCopyright/Proposed. To make it clearer that this is a "fair use" template. Peter O. (Talk) 08:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Done. Ashibaka tock 18:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the change, but I'm afraid the notes below the template don't have a "noinclude" around them, see e.g. Image:101sqn-600.jpg, and also some categories are repeated twice in the template. Please fix these problems. Peter O. (Talk) 19:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Fixed, I should hope. Ashibaka tock 20:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, that looks much better. Peter O. (Talk) 22:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki request

Please add interwiki for Serbian language Wikipedia. The link is:

[[sr:Шаблон:КрунскоАуторскоПраво]]

Thank you. --Branislav Jovanovic 05:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} done. CMummert · talk 11:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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