Talk:Crossrail

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This article refers to both Crossrails - so surely the introduction needs to say two tunnels rather than one? --ALargeElk | Talk 14:57, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ah! Now I see where you are coming from. I had read your "two tunnels" as though referring to two tunnels paddington-stratford and paddington-custom house, and not to Crossrail 1 & 2. Given that, realistically, only Crossrail 1 is a serious project at the moment I think it would be misleading to talk about #2 in the sense of a 'live' programme at the moment, indeed whenever "Crossrail" is discussed in the media it is only Crossrail *One* that is actually being referred to (very few people realising that #2 exists in any way). Re-reading it, I think the current article is way too strong about #2 (which isn't even on TfL's expectation list at present), especially as it may even revert to the Merton-Hackney tube concept. It might make sense to re-edit as "Crossrail is an east-west project ... and there exists an outline proposal for a SW/NE 'crossrail 2' at some later date, although no funding has been made available nor construction schedule proposed." --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 17:55, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Intercity routes? 2 Use MailRail Tunnels?!? 3 Moorgate–Liverpool St link 4 Requested move 4.1 Survey 4.1.1 Survey - Support votes 4.1.2 Survey - Oppose votes 4.2 Discussion

[edit] Intercity routes?

Will these tunnels be used by intercity trains? For example, could we see trains from Bristol and the West Country running to Liverpool Street, or trains from East Anglia runing through to Paddington? Tompw 01:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

No - it's really only for local stopping services along the described route (Maidenhead/Heathrow - Shenfield/Abbey Wood). It wouldn't be possible to run to Bristol without full electrification as far as there (diesel trains cannot run in the London tunnels). I don't think there would be room in the timetable either... In theory it would be possible for trains to run from East Anglia through to Heathrow and Maidenhead, but this is highly unlikely. Willkm 12:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I hadn't thought about the diesel/tunnel issue... but still, it would be nice for East Anglia trains to run to Paddington or Heathrow - it would make journeys through London easier, as well as allowing better access for commuters. Tompw 17:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, if HST2 turns out to be dual mode 25KV OLE / diesel-electric, then it could run through the tunnels... :-) Tompw

If the DoT ever finally make good on their proposal to reopen the Oxford-Cambridge route to passengers (and replace the missing section), East Anglia trains could either join the GWR line at Oxford or come into Paddington or Marylebone via everyone's favourite disused station, Verney Junction. Iridescenti 23:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wewrn't the Varsity Line plans put in jeopardy due to a lake? (I prefer Quanton Road on that line :)) Simply south 23:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use MailRail Tunnels?!?

Don't know who thought that was a plausible idea.

It's preposterous that a 9ft diameter tunnel outfitted to run automated, third rail powered, letter and package trains on a 2 ft guage would be of any use for full sized rolling stock. lol

I am moving those paragraphs here MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 17:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The Tunneled section from Paddington via Oxford Street to Farringdon, Liverpool street and Whitechapel is identical to the recently closed underground Post Office railway (MailRail) and suggests these tunnels should be used as a starting point, and the underground mail rail stations to be possibly used as the lines' Central London stations.

Considering that MailRail is a 2 ft guage railway, running double tracked in a 9 ft tunnel, and provided with very small stations designed for handling letters and packages, such an idea is preposterous. [1]

[edit] Moorgate–Liverpool St link

I am intrigued by the reference to a "disused Moorgate to Liverpool Street mainline station link". (I thought I knew most of the disused rail links in London.) Can anyone provide more information? Vilĉjo 11:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

It did exist - it ran along Met lines from Moorgate to just west of Liverpool Street, then curved north to surface at the old Liverpool Street platform one - this was why pl 1 at liverpool street had to be accessed by the footbridge prior to reconstruction. The link opened 1 Feb 1870 & closed in 1904, and the curve used for storing rolling stock. The track was lifted in 1916 and the curve turned into the staff canteen. Iridescenti 23:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move