Talk:Cross pattée

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[edit] Contradiction

This article is unclear, and possibly contradicts itself on certain details:

Why is a "proper" patée, but not? They both have triangular arms.
The article says is not true patée, but the Knights Templar's is. The image of the cross on the linked page is , even further removed from the standard patée, with smaller, triangular serifs.

Going by the definition "cross that has arms which are narrow at the center, and broader at the perimeter", is definately a patée, and probably. I'll do my best to make the article consistent, if no-one has posted any objections by...whenever I remember to check this page. boffy_b 21:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to do my best with the sometimes contradictory materials I have available to me --

is the ONLY definition of the phrase "Cross Pattee" given in the multivolume Oxford English Dictionary (1st edition), yet specialized works on heraldry generally use the "Iron Cross" definition, so both seem to have to be recognized as valid.

is not an Iron Cross, and doesn't meet the definition of "nearly filling the square", so it falls into a gray zone.

is well-known in continental European heraldry, but it seems rather dubious whether it meets the ordinary definition of the English-language term "Cross Pattee". AnonMoos 07:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. I'd try to add something on this historical contradiction to the article, but I'd probably break the facts in the process.boffy_b 12:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I expanded the discussion in the "doubtful examples" section. AnonMoos 08:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)