Talk:Croke Park

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what does the gaa have do to prevent the goverment using corke park should the goverment use corke park for other sports events? build a new stadium? or should the Gaa preserve the right to refuse the goverment use croke park? unsigned question

It's not so straightforward... there are restrictions on how often it can be used, due to the disturbance caused to local residents. unsigned answer

The GAA own Croke Park outright (see the History section), so have as much right as any private citizen or group to decide what goes on on their own private property. --Aaron McDaid 19:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

The history section doesn't mention anything about funding - was it raised entirely by the GAA or was there some government funding? Autarch 14:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It entirely private but the government did give the gaa a 30 million grant if that makes sence. Basicly the grant was to the GAA not spefically for the building of cp but it went too the building of cp (Gnevin 15:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC))

Im glad to see that Croke Park are opening its doors to facilitate international rugby and soccer during the Lansdowne Road redevelopement. Hopefully there can be just as great an atmosphere during these games as there is in All Ireland finals.

Hopefully there can be just as great an atmosphere during these games as there is in All Ireland finals Thats never going to happen.

Contents 1 Pitch copyvio 2 uefa 5 star ranking 3 Fixture table 4 Capacity 5 Original Construction Cost 6 bloody sunday 7 'the largest owned by an amateur organisation'

[edit] Pitch copyvio

• The "Pitch" section of this article appears to be a verbatum copy of part of this page, which is in breach of the site's copyright terms. I have removed the offending text. Guinness 14:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] uefa 5 star ranking

croke park got this a while ago so i think it should be included as it is not in the group of 5 star stadiums

Added to cat (Gnevin 16:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC))

what the hell it has now been romoved from the uefa 5 star category Neilchamp

Appartently its not a five star stadium and will out proof too say it is . i cant re add (Gnevin 18:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

Croker seems to fulfill all the criteria for a UEFA 5 star ranking but maybe the fact that it's not a soccer ground yet, could be the reason it doesn't have an official ranking. Afn 18:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure that croker has floodlights? I know there's a plan to put them in, but I don't believe they are there yet.. wmcnamara. Sept 10th 2006.

Croke park does NOT have UEFA 5 star rating. Star ratings are only applied by UEFA once a stadium has applied to host a UEFA Cup or Champions League final. Croke park never has. So the fact it may meet the criteria doesnt matter. Willy turner 18:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fixture table

I understand why User:Gnevin removed the table but I think that in context it has some real relevance. He talked about none of the peer stadia having fixture lists. Correct, but none of the peer stadia have allowed foreign sports to be played on their grass for the first time ever and are proposing to revert their temporary rule change that allowed this to happen.

If the GAA revert to their previous attitude, then I think a list of the 6 (or whatever) games that were played there would be appropriate for inclusion. And given that, I think its appropriate to include the list now. So I have reverted the revert. Frelke 20:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I still dont see what the point is , yes its worth mentioning that fact that 'foreign game' will be played their but Republic of Ireland national football team doesnt even include it (Gnevin 23:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC))

I see it as being about notability. I think it is notable that these were/are/will be the only non-gaelic games (plus the american football) played at Croke Park. But if, for instance, the GAA decided to open up Croke Park to "foreign games" for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't see it as notable anymore. Do you get my drift?Frelke 14:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but it is entirely likely that, once the IRFU and FAI have finished building their brand spanking new stadium that is going to cost them €365 million, they're not likely to want to use Croke Park anymore are they? As for the excuse "the fixtures aren't listed on the IRFU and FAI pages", that's spurious at best. These fixtures, for the time that they last, are historic and a list of them should be maintained. Hammersfan 22/02/07, 09.55 GMT

[edit] Capacity

I previously corrected the capacity to 82,300. This is the figure on the official Croke Park website. User Gnevin has since reverted it to 82,500, citing the fact that the wikipedia article says it once had an attendance of 82,500. That is irrelevant. Any stadium capacity figure should be taken where possible from an official club or stadium website Willy turner 18:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[1] (Gnevin 18:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

It says 82,500 on the very link you give. 87.194.61.149 10:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The article suggests that Croke park is the 5th largest stadium (in terms of capacity) in the EU, listed behind Camp Nou, Wembley, San Siro and Rome's stadio olympico.

However the link for the rome stadium suggests it has a capacity of 82000. This is smaller than Croke Park's stated capacity of 82300/82500. So that makes it the 4th largest surely. Is there some other info about the rome stadium to suggest it has a larger capacity than 82000.--89.100.40.221 10:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original Construction Cost

If the Irish pound didn't exist between 1826 and 1928. Why is this the currency used to quote the original construction costs? Fasach Nua 19:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point changing it to what ever it was back then (Gnevin 20:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

On a basic google search [[2]] it is throwing up £3,500 STG to purchase the ground, which is where I suspect this figure came from! It is obviously not the construction cost, I have blanked this value until the right number can be found Fasach Nua 21:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bloody sunday

Inonsistency with Bloody Sunday (1920) page. That page regards the Auxilary involvement to be a misconception wheras the Croke Park page has the Auxilary as the cause.

To quote:

"The Croke Park Massacre on the afternoon of Bloody Sunday is usually blamed on the Auxiliaries. While the police raiding party was composed in part of Temporary Cadets from Depot Company and commanded by an Auxiliary officer, Major Mills, eyewitness reports make it clear that ordinary police did most of the shooting at Croke Park.[22]"

Inconsistency needs to be addressed.

I dont see the problem both articles seem to be consistent with each other (Gnevin 01:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC))

How can they be consistent? One is saying the Auxhiliaries were the cause, the other is saying that the Auxhilary involvement is a misconcption. If the Auxhilaries involvement is a misonception, then surely they were not the cause?!

[edit] 'the largest owned by an amateur organisation'

Does this mean its the largest amateur ground in Ireland, Europe, the 6 nations or the world?--Play Brian Moore 16:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I've edited that to read 'outside the United States'. Listened to Micheál O'Muireacheartaigh talking about Croke Park and it's history on, I think Sunday 11th Feb, on RTÉ Radio 1, and he mentioned that it was the largest amateur stadium outide the US. Unfortunately I can't remember if he mentioned the name of the stadium in the US that's larger, but Googling for "largest amateur stadium" gives this result. Bastun 12:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that National Sports Center link refers to largest acreage rather than spectator capacity. The word amateur is vague when applied to players; when applied to organisations, doubly so. Given the vagueness, I think the text should be omitted entirely, or qualified as "is described by X as the largest...". Other contenders include Michigan Stadium (111,000) or Rungrado May Day Stadium (150,000). There's also Hampden Park, which has held crowds of up to 149,000. jnestorius^(talk) 14:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)