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Contents 1 Smoke 2 Requested page move talk 3 Thanks 4 Are you a feminist? 5 Yep, vandalism by the Administrators! 6 Simon Pulsifer 7 Mid-latitude_cyclone 7.1 Humour barnstar 8 Extratropical cyclone -Post Tropical usage in Canada 9 Oh the WP:PAIN... 10 DAB pages 11 Regarding User:TerryJ-Ho 12 Just Hello

Smoke

I saw one of your userboxes and saw that you smoked. I don't think you should. Jason12345 01:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think people should pick their noses either, but still it's a common thing to do - even in public spaces like on a bus full of people. As long as they don't wipe it in the seat I don't mind. Likewise, as long as I'm courteous and conciencious enough not to make other people suffer from my addiction, there's no reason for anybody to be poking their nose into my business and telling me what to do and how to live.

I'll give it up in my own time when I'm ready, and once I'm capable. This will almost certainly be after dealing with my depression, and regardless of that, it's my problem and no-one elses. Thankyou very much for your heartfelt concern for my wellbeing though. Crimsone 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested page move talk

As this is a move request for an archive page in a user space, I have placed the disscussion here rather than on the page itself. Crimsone 05:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is this necessary? This is your user space. Peter O. (Talk) 06:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Because I wish to finish what I started and keep all my archives to the same (correct) naming format as per WP:ARCHIVE. The only reason I have a problem anyway is because I made a mistake with the second archive page with the numbering. I've now resolved that, but unfortunately it's left an (empty) page I can't get rid of which has the title I need to move the page to.

All it really needs is to delete User_talk:Crimsone/Archive 1 and I could do it myself. Unfortunately, I'm not able to do that and so need admin help to get rid of it.

Essensially, I made a mistake, and I need help to fix it. Deleting a page with no content can't be too much of a problem for someone, surely? --Crimsone 06:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks so much for the barnstar! And don't worry about the move: everyone makes mistakes sometimes :-) Just ask on my talk page if you ever need anything else. —Mets501 (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you a feminist?

My comment toward Zora was not "derogatory and offensive" To make a long story short, if you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument.

Zora said:

"...The only cricket game I've ever watched was in the movie Lagaan"

She admits to only ever watcing cricket in a Hindi movie, so in jest...

...I said:

"Zora, no offense dear but I think you should stick to watching Hindi movies and leave the editing to the men. Thank you."

Now looking at this in context I really don't know have you can irrationally claim my comment was "derogatory and offensive" unless if of-course you're an ultra-feminist who is out on a wild-goose chase, as she is not content with her mediocre life.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you respect nothing, honor nothing, and value nothing beyond your feminist mentality? This is particularly interesting when you consider that you should learn to appreciate what you have instead of feeling so oppressed because you can't do everything you want, every time you want to. Our (mens's) problem - and make no mistake about it, it is a severe predicament - is that we currently lack the resources needed to put an end to simple minded feminist rhetoric. There, my ranting is finished.

P.S, I demand an apology from you. --Street Scholar 11:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Erm, no, I'm not even remotely feminist. Equality is my only view, and that's really not far away from the current status between the sexes.

I can't say matters of a lack of values and honour in myself are something I've ever considered as they are in fact things which have in abundance. "...Stick to <insert action here> and leave the editing to the men. Thank you.", nomatter what the context, is derogatory and offensive. If you didn't mean it in such a way as to suggest that you were in any way better than her with editing because you are a man (whether cricket was the subject or not), then may I politely suggest that you perhaps could have used a more appropriate phrase after first realising that the very structure of the sentence itself could so easily and understandably result in ill feeling.

I'm on no kind of crusade - all I did was merely respond to a complaint about the comment. If you like, I can change the personal attack template to a civility template instead? Thre's no issue with feminism here. As a woman, I feel that feminism has gone somewhat too far in some ways, and it is to the detriment of my sex that some continue to push so hard for so little reason for no reason other than what appears to be that of power. As far as I am concerned, the role of feminism in this world is largely defunct.

Not that I mean to imply that it is what you meant, but could I please make an enquiry as to whther you are trying to say that women have their place, and it isn't in a mans world? (prompted for example by such statements as not content with her mediocre life and feeling so oppressed because you can't do everything you want).

I'm afraid that whether you intended it in such a way or not, the statement you made was indeed offensive in itself, and was taken as such by the person you made it to. As such, I'm afraid that I will offer no apology, demands or not.

I hope this clarifies things for you, and I politely request that, as per wikipedia policy, you comment on the content and not the contribtor. Just because I don't shout from the rooftops that I'm not a feminist, that doesn't give you the right to insinuate that I am one for no reason other than your own dissatisfaction with ONE of my actions, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. --Crimsone 11:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

If I had to choose between chopping onions and helping you challenge all I stand for, I'd be in the kitchen in an instant. Although both alternatives make me cry, the deciding factor for me is that the only weapons you have in your intellectual arsenal are book burning, brainwashing, and intimidation. That's all you have, and you know it. Your principles are entirely disgusting - so much so, that if there are any children or sensitive people reading this, I suggest that they stop now and not read what I am about to describe. I like to speak of you as a "oligophrenic". I try never to argue with you, because it's clear you're not susceptible to reason. If you think that the average male can't see through you chicanery then maybe you should lay off the wacky tobaccy. I have taken the liberty of letting you know that the hour is late indeed. Fortunately, it's not yet too late to weed out women like you who have deceived, betrayed, and exploited us males. You exhibit an air of superiority. You realize, of course, that that's really just a defense mechanism to cover up your obvious inferiority.

"If you didn't mean it in such a way as to suggest that you were in any way better than her with editing because you are a man (whether cricket was the subject or not), then may I politely suggest that you perhaps could have used a more appropriate phrase after first realising that the very structure of the sentence itself could so easily and understandably result in ill feeling."

No, I am just generally better then her, as a man is always better then a woman as a man has far superior intellect to a woman. And this is my religious beliefs, a women is crooked as she is made of a rib. Furthermore, you shouldn't try to push your own inferior western "ethics" on me.

"I'm on no kind of crusade - all I did was merely respond to a complaint about the comment. If you like, I can change the personal attack template to a civility template instead? Thre's no issue with feminism here."

You still don't seem to get it do you? I want to you apologize to me, as I do not allow a woman to talk to me in this disrespectful way. You're being intolerant of my religious beliefs, you're a intolerant person.

":Not that I mean to imply that it is what you meant, but could I please make an enquiry as to whther you are trying to say that women have their place, and it isn't in a mans world? (prompted for example by such statements as not content with her mediocre life and feeling so oppressed because you can't do everything you want)."

No a womans place is in a mans world, however she should always be respect for to the men, she should not raise her voice or poke her nose into mans business.

"I'm afraid that whether you intended it in such a way or not, the statement you made was indeed offensive in itself, and was taken as such by the person you made it to. As such, I'm afraid that I will offer no apology, demands or not."

Zora uses deception to trick people into voting against things that they, in fact, support. Am I being too harsh for writing that? Maybe I am, but that's really the only way you can push a point through to Zora. She is content to assail all that is holy. But as soon as our backs are turned, she will harm others, or even instill the fear of harm. She is the primary persecutor of my religious beliefs. In any case, it's easy enough to hate her any day of the week on general principles. But now I'll tell you about some very specific things that she is up to, things that ought to make a real Zora-hater out of you. First off, she is willing to promote truth and justice when it's convenient. But when it threatens her creature comforts, she throws principle to the wind. I hate it when people get their facts wrong.

So I demand and apology from you for attacking my religious beliefs by defending her.

"I hope this clarifies things for you, and I politely request that, as per wikipedia policy, you comment on the content and not the contribtor. Just because I don't shout from the rooftops that I'm not a feminist, that doesn't give you the right to insinuate that I am one for no reason other than your own dissatisfaction with ONE of my actions, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever."

What you're doing is not an innocent, recreational sort of thing. It is a criminal activity, it is an immoral activity, it is a socially destructive activity, and it is a profoundly savage activity. Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and idle hands are the devil's tools. You're doing everything in your power to make me suffer endless humiliation. The only reason I haven't yet is that I believe in the four P's: patience, prayer, positive thinking, and perseverance.

Anyone who hasn't been living in a cave with his eyes shut and his ears plugged knows that a person who wants to get ahead should try to understand the long-range consequences of his/her actions. You have never had that faculty. You always do what YOU want to do at the moment and figure you'll be able to lie yourself out of any problems that arise.

What kind of Humpty-Dumpty world are you living in?

Now just apologize to me so we can move on. --Street Scholar 15:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• I live in the sort of world where I understand the nature of the fact that the internet crosses cultural and national boundries. I live in a world of equality for all. Finally I live in a world where wiki policy trumps anything you've said here. Sorry - I'm just not going to give it to you. I made one single and quite ordinary statement, and if you don't like that or find it to be humiliating, perhaps you should have considered the consequences of making the statement before you allowed your fingers to touch your keyboard.

No apology is going to be made by myself or anybody else. I politely suggest that you attempt to live with this fact as best as you can. --Crimsone 16:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh you live in a world or equality? you think walking around half-clad and bouncing your tits on the TV is equality? I'm afraid to say you're confused. And I have far superior ethics to your disgusting immoral equality which is in direct violation of the law of the almighty. So I will appose this dirty equality of yours. I just demand you apologize to me so I can go as I don't like your disrespectful attitude to men. You better apologize to me lady. --Street Scholar 16:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• I have respect for men - as equals, not superiors. As half of the populations of this world is female, it's not particularly "a mans world" either in my view. As to your religion - it's your religion , not miine, and just as I don't try to use my religion as a tool to force people I disagree with into submission, I politely request that you refrain from doing so with me. My morals are just fiine, thankyou.

As for you think walking around half-clad and bouncing your tits on the TV is equality?, then yes - I do in a way as women can be free to do so if they want and can refuse to do so if they don't want to. However, that doesn't mean that I nessecarily agree with the concept of doing that for the pleasure of ogling viewers. I'm afraid that you seem to have some odd and baseless preconceptions about me that simply aren't correct.

Incidentally, though I'm no expert on the subject, doesn't Islam teach it's adhereants to see the beauty in ALL things under Allah, including things you don't like? Given that I'm not on some kind of war against your religion (really - I don't care what your religion is as I see you only as another human being on this planet like myself or anybody else for that matter), I really don't see what grounding you have for attacking me so. The truth is - I also don't care on that count either. The facts are as layed oud before you, and the rules are as I describe. The consensus is against sexism in any form, and I would suggest that you avoid it. You are more than welcome to hold to whatever beliefs and views you like, and you are welcome to disagree with anybody elses. However, you are NOT entitled (or welcomed) in using your beliefs and opinions (or those of anybody else) as a means or reason for attacking or offending people on Wikipedia.

Once more, there will be NO apology, and I suggest that you try to live with this fact as best as you can. --Crimsone 16:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Crimsone, i must commend you on your strong, firm but respectful attitude. As I see it, no matter how much Street Scholar protests otherwise, this is not an issue of religion, but one of common decency. His edits suggest he lacks it - but makes up for it in hypocrisy. I know many Muslims (some very well) who would never dream to talk the way he does and I know very few who would. As you alluded to, this editor is simply using religion to justify his personal views - admittedly most likely taught to him by his parents and/or commnunity. Maybe it is acceptable for women to have seperate places in a society - i don't feel comfortable with it but i could accept it (not in my society though) - but the big HOWEVER is that even then, it still requires respect of women and doesn't excuse the behaviour shown by this guy's edits. See the examples I put on the Incidents Noticeboard: [1] --Merbabu 05:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Looking over the comments I have made, maybe you're right. So I do apologize if I have offended you. It was not my intention, I think I got caught up into the heat of the moment. Sorry. --Street Scholar 10:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem Street Scholar. As long as you can see it and hold back from it in future, I'm sure that nothing further really needs to be said by anyone. We all get caught up in the heat of the moment from time to time, but common to all religions and humankind, learning from mistakes is what's important, and anybody who can do that belongs here :). Assalaamu' Alaykum, --Crimsone 11:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Messenger of Allah, Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him), said:

“

'Whoso has got pride in his heart to the weight of an atom shall not enter Paradise.'

”

Thanks. --Street Scholar 14:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, vandalism by the Administrators!

Look at this. —12.72.72.77 11:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - as per my previous comment, you are becoming disruptive in your behaviour. I agree with their reasoning for the above diff. --Crimsone 11:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Simon Pulsifer

Thanks for that last fix on Simon Pulsifer, I accidentally removed that reference from the last sentence when copying it to the previous sentences. Regards, --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all - my pleasuere :) --Crimsone 10:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Gee thanks... you actually made me smile :). --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Mid-latitude_cyclone

It appears this topic has been discussed for months, and nothing has happenned. I was originally planning on waiting a week, but once I read the talk pages, it did not appear that people opposed a merge. In fact, people appear to be willing to scrap Mid-Latitude Cyclone altogether, so your idea fit the talk pages. Thegreatdr 11:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

That's fair enough, but of course, blanking is not an acceptable means of removing an aricle - it needs to be proposed for deletion, else the article needs to be moved to a suitable page title using the move function at the top of the page (cyclogenesis may be an appropriate name to move it to if it doesn't already exist. :)

As you have already created an article on top of the (blank) cyclogenesis page, it may be better if you were to merge the information found at Mid-latitude_cyclone into the cyclogenesis articlerather than start it all from scratch, and it will then become less contraversial to propose its deletion. --Crimsone 11:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC) --Crimsone 11:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I put a redirect in that article to Extratropical Cyclone, and am in the process of moving relevent sections to Extratropical cyclone. Since the only thing in the cyclogenesis article was a redirect, the relevent sections of Mid-Latitude cyclone are now in that article. I did copy the talk page from Mid-Latitude Cyclone to the Cyclogenesis talk page. Thegreatdr 11:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

That sounds perfectly fine. If it's all been done, Mid-latitude_cyclone can now be proposed for deletion. --Crimsone 11:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Humour barnstar

Heh, how true. Thanks! :) – Chacor 12:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Extratropical cyclone -Post Tropical usage in Canada

Check the reference from the CHC and you'll see why I moved the term post-tropical from a term for extratropical cyclones, to that of a cyclone in transition. If you found a reference that says otherwise, please add it. Thegreatdr 13:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Found, and posted at your talk :) Crimsone 13:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I just read it, and didn't see the term post-tropical used. Using the find option in my browser window didn't find it either. Where is the post-tropical term in that reference? After you point it out, we can add that link as a reference within the document. I'm just trying to help here too. Thegreatdr 13:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. :) --Crimsone 13:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the acknowledgment. I'm glad someone else was around to keep me honest on the edits. Thegreatdr 15:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

lol. no problem. If you're interest (if not, I'll continue doing it when I have time), you could use references one and two in the article as a sort of template to improve the referencing of the article. As I say - if not, I shall continue with it as and when I can anyway - that's mostly janitorial stuff. It would be helpful if you could use the {{cite}} system for any future sources though. :) --Crimsone 16:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with cite. Will have to look into it. Thegreatdr 23:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. It's just a matter of copying and pasting one of the citations I've already done into notepade, changing the name in the ref tage to something appropriate, and repacing all the info in the cite with the correct info as best as it can be found. If it's a problem, don't worry about it too much. :) Crimsone 23:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Our collaboration got the article up to B class. Not bad for a day's work. Thegreatdr 04:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow! that's not bad at all! I'm interested in finding out how it was rated - I'll have to take a look :) Indeed, that really is great for a days collaboration! (can I have an award too? lmao! hahaha). Seriously though - most of the information was yours. I guess it would be cool if we could get it to A class or featured? :p Crimsone 11:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh the WP:PAIN...

Give a guy with a slow connection a break. You just pre-empted me twice three times! Good stuff, cheeka, keep it up.
brenneman ^{L} 11:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL. There are still two left :p

Thanks for the encouragement though. It's nice to have the page back to a state where it actually works, and where there's more than one person looking at it :) --Crimsone 11:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

DAB pages

I notice that there seem to be a few da pages in the non-contraversial moves today. I was wondering if there was a policy or guideline on the convention for naming DABs. In almost every case, it seems best to have thedisambig on the base article name? Just curious really.--Crimsone 22:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just moving a disambig page when I got your message :-). In general, if there's a clear main use of a word, the article word should be the main use of the word with a disambig notice at the top pointing to word (disambiguation). If there's no clear main use of the word, then the disambiguation page should simply be at word. —Mets501 (talk) 22:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding User:TerryJ-Ho

Where do I go to report this users persistent and systemic incivility towards me if not WP:PAIN.Please forgive me if I have erred in repoting him on WP:PAIN. I will follow whatever wikipedia policy requires of me in the process of filing a case regarding him. Is RfC the right way?Hkelkar 00:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

RfC is certainly one way of doing it. You could try WP:ANI though (or contacting an admin directly).

The usual pre-processing though is to try to reason it through, using mediation if required. There are however warning templates for civility, being {{subst|:ivil1}} and {{subst:civil2}}. I hope this is at least of some assistance to you. Please bear in mind though that the line is crossed when something becomes a personal attack - that goes back to WP:PAIN at that stage. --Crimsone 01:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Just Hello

Hi Crimsone, your post yesterday (you know which one) made me smile; I didn't know that you were still paying attention to that subject. I thought your suggested edit was quite helpful. Anyhow, I thought I'd drop you a note to say hello and say I'm glad to see your Wiki-happiness level is currently well into positive territory. Dasondas 19:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hiya! :) My wiki happiness does change a little, but it's pretty good of late - thanks :) Glad to see you still around. I haven't stopped payinmg attention to it - I stop by now and again just to take a look in, but if I'm honest, it's still not something I know to much about. Still - one of the reasons I'm here is to learn stuff. Hope you have a good evening --Crimsone 20:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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