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1 Selam
2 Thank you
3 Thank you
4 Turkish name
5 another new turkish speaker
6 Districts of Muğla template
7 Turkey administrative units
8 Image Tagging Image:200px-Adilenasit.jpg
9 Image:200px-Kemal sunal.jpg listed for deletion
10 Image:200px-Adilenasit.jpg listed for deletion
11 Famous Turks
12 Image Tagging Image:Necdet Mahfi Ayral.jpg
13 Hello
14 Yafinsint
15 Regions of Turkey
16 Image copyright problem with Image:Muğla_Konakaltı_Hanı.jpg
17 Image Tagging Image:Kadir Inanır.jpg
18 Image Tagging Image:Adile Naşit.jpg
19 Image Tagging Image:Gamze Özçelik.jpg
20 Image Tagging Image:Feridun Karakaya.jpg
21 Image Tagging Image:Tevfik gelenbe.jpg
22 Image Tagging Image:Muğla Müzesi.jpg
23 Turkish districts
24 Hood event
25 WikiProject Turkey
26 Izmir
27 Malazgirt Battle and Izmir articles
28 Beylik Mevzuu
29 Ottoman Empire

[edit] Selam

Türk karşıtı Khoikhoi admin oluyor,tanıdığın bütün türklere haber verirsen engelleyebiliriz burdan oy verebilirsin (Metb82 14:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Thank you

Your recent post (this one) in Talk:Izmir deeply touched me. Thank you. If we can understand each other, we can live together as friends again, Greeks and Turks. Thank you again. -- Michalis Famelis 08:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

... for your work on Muğla, and your images. I hope that the copyright issues are resolved soon.

--William Allen Simpson 07:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish name

Hi. I noticed that you speak Turkish. Can you please add a Turkish name for this old Ottoman province into this article: Elayet of Temesvar. If you do not know this name, can you tell me who of the Wikipedia users might know? Thank you. PANONIAN (talk) 00:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] another new turkish speaker

please introduce yourself to User talk:CrashMex.

--William Allen Simpson 20:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, i think there aren't lots of Turkish speakers Wikipedians. So, maybe we can work together in translations. Merhaba, galiba Wikipediada fazla Türkçe konuşan kişi yok. Belki Türkçe tercümler ve isimler için birlikte çalışabiliriz. CrashMex 20:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 Çalışırız CrashMex:) Türkçe wiki'ye dahil misin? I am there more often. Where are you from? Ben İzmir'deyim

Hayır Türkçe wiki'de henüz yokum ama yakında gireceim. I am from Istanbul~. CrashMex 20:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Districts of Muğla template

A couple of issues.

Generally, a navigation template like this shouldn't be used. Instead, use {{otherarticles}}. See Wikipedia:Navigational templates and Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes.

Are these really translated "districts"? Where does this fit in the iller and merkez names used elsewhere? Between?

--William Allen Simpson 05:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey administrative units

There are 81 'provinces' (il in singular, iller in plural) like Muğla ili (ili is the genitive form of the word). Each province has a number of districts (ilçe in singular, ilçeler in plural), to start with the central district (merkez ilçe, merkez meaning central), which is the capital of that province. Muğla ili central district is the Muğla merkez ilçesi, where the city of Muğla is situated, and Marmaris, Bodrum etc. are its remaining districts.

Province (il) name and the central district (merkez ilçe) name are the same for 78 provinces. They differ in 3 of them (Kocaeli province's central district name is İzmit, Sakarya's is Adapazarı, Hatay's is Antakya). They used to differ in a few more, for example the İçel province has been renamed Mersin in 2002 to match the central district's name. Each province has an appointed governor (vali) residing in the province's central district.

Each district, ilçe, (including the central district) commands a specific area, each has boundaries, within the province. The area depends administratively to the district central (ilçe merkezi, not to confuse with merkez ilçe) where resides the appointed kaymakam, head official for that district, who is answerable to the governor. Central districts do not have kaymakams, they are administered by a vice-governor.

All (central or not) district centers have municipalities (belediye), headed by an elected mayor, who administers a defined municipality area (usually matching, more or less, the urban zone) for defined municipal matters. A growing number of settlements, which are not district centers, have municipalities as well, usually because their population requires one. These are called belde. They haven't (yet) become district centers because there is one too close by, or due to some other reason. So, a belde has a mayor (responsible for its municipal zone), but not a kaymakam, and depend administratively on the district center within the boundaries of which it is situated.

At the bottom end, there are villages, who have elected muhtars taking care specific administrative matters. Furthermore, each quarter (mahalle) of a district center and belde has a muhtar as well, also for specific administrative questions. The designation slightly differs (köy muhtarı for village muhtar, mahalle muhtarı for quarter muhtar) and also the tasks, which are similar but adapted to their locality.

In some cases, a belde can be larger that the district center it depends, and a district center can be larger than the central district it depends, and many other district centers. One final note is the büyükşehir belediyesi, larger municipalities for megalopoles like İstanbul or İzmir, which have at their top an elected head mayor who oversee a number of municipalities and mayors.

I think district is the term that fits best. I did also think of township, but district matches, in my opinion, better. --Cretanforever 09:53, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Rather than thinking about other countries names, and what "fits", what does each word actually mean? Is there an "official" government translation?

il?
ilçe?
merkez? means central? or market?
belediye?
belde? (seems like a cognate)

--William Allen Simpson 11:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

What each word meant was clear in the text. To reiterate, 'il' is province, 'ilçe' is district, 'merkez' is central, 'belediye' is municipality, 'belde' is indeed of the word 'belediye', both derive from the same Arabic root, and is a locality that has a municipality. What each word meant was clear in the text. --Cretanforever 11:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, those of us who don't speak the language and are relying on a Turkish-english dictionary for these words don't always get them correct. For example, I was getting:

merkez: central for some definitions, and market for others (like a bank)
belde: town; city; community; area; place

which is altogether too many choices. That's why I was trying to narrow it down a bit.... And find out what a native speaker thinks when they translate the term.

--William Allen Simpson 12:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Which other country? --Cretanforever 11:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

We had a fellow trying to make uniform equivalents for every country in the world, mostly based on UK terms, all the way down to "town", "village", and "hamlet". The consensus currently reflected in the language of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) is:

Example: the country has "oblasts" and its government officially translates them as "area", "region", or "zone", then they should never be renamed "province" to conform to another country or some master schema.

The testimony of locals and people familiar with the country should be considered above Google evidence....

Just trying to follow those guidelines. (But then, I helped write them.)

--William Allen Simpson 12:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that the dictionary translates il to both province and county, and ilce to county. That's why I wanted to be extra sure that district was the best "official" word for ilce.

--William Allen Simpson 12:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Famous Turks

Selam, I noticed you are Turkish. Could you help add in some prominent Turks to this particular list : List of Turks ? Enter sandman 21:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Hello

This seemed a more decent place to reply to you than the talk page of Yeşilyurt. The incident with your grandfather shouting in the cretan greek dialect to his sisters and being punished for it reminds me of a scene in a popular movie that run in Greece two years ago, called "Politiki Kouzina" (something like "Istanbulean Cuisine") (imdb link here) that tells the story of a greek boy who left Instanbul during or after (I don't remember) the riots of 1956. His family moves to Athens and he goes to school there. There is a hilarious scene where the teacher assigns him to conjugate the word "kolokotronis" which is of course a noun as it is the name of one of our national heroes of the Greek War of Independence. The boy ignorant of mainland Greece's history thinks that "kolokotronis" is a verb (it sounds like one) and starts conjugating it like a verb. Subsequently, the teacher horrified adresses the headmaster who acting "nationally minded" calls the boy's father to his office and gives him a long lecture which essentialy implies that the Greeks of Constantinople are "ethnically suspicious" and should try even harder to prove their "greekness". Well what can you say, our mutual suspicion goes a long way back... Speaking of which, since I met you an idea has popped into my head. The idea is about a wikiProject where Turks and Greeks work together assuming good faith and trying to overcome the said suspicion. I wrote this as a draft. Tell me what you think. Could it work?? Is there any point in trying? I look forward to hearing your opinion. -- Michalis Famelis 21:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yafinsint

About time someone spotted my Yafinsint article. I thought someone would notice the name, which sounds like "I don't exist" in Swedish, but it apparently took a real Turkish person to spot the hoax. JIP | Talk 14:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regions of Turkey

Hello there! I have noticed that you are quite productive when it comes to the political geography of Turkey. I was wondering, are there any larger regions that the country is traditionally or convetionally divided into? This article lists seven such region, but perhaps statistical agencies group the provinces into larger clusters? //Big Adamsky 08:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Muğla_Konakaltı_Hanı.jpg

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