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I was looking for the word "Crass". I don't know what it means but its something to do with negative behaviour. 86.147.1.221 16:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Try the Wiktionary entry for Crass: "Coarse; crude; not refined or sensible". The band took their name from the use of the word in a Bowie song. -Switch ^t 06:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 hardcore punk 2 The logo 3 Rival Tribal Rebel Revels flexi 4 Infobox header 5 Over-linked

[edit] hardcore punk

Crass released their third album Penis Envy in 1981. This marked a departure from the 'hardcore punk' image that Feeding of the 5000 and its follow up Stations of the Crass had to some extent given the group.

Isn't hardcore a specific term for the fast-tempo punk rock style emerged in the USA from bands like Circle Jerk, Black Flag and Dead Kennedys? I think the quotes just make it look like more inaccurate. Thank you. (unsigned comment moved from archive to 'live' discussion page by quercus robur 12:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC) )

The term 'harcore punk' was in currency in the UK before being applied to US bands such as Black Flag, etc, and was generally used to diferentiate the 'authentic' punk sounds of bands that weren't percieved as having 'sold out' (ie, developed a more commercial, accessable sound, eg, Siouxsie and the Banshees, later Clash, etc, etc). Bands such as Crass, the Exploited, etc, were certainly considered 'hard core' by UK punks around 1979-80, at least a year or two before we'd heard of the likes of Black Flag, Circle Jerks, etc, and I think that that lable was kind of co-opted a bit later by those US bands. Anyway, Crass probably never considered themselves 'hard-core punk', and following Stations of the Crass with Penis Envy was almost certainly a deliberate strategy to ensure that they didn't get pigeon-holed by one particular narrow lable that had associations with leather jackets, suds, bristles, mohicans and aggressively played 3 chord thrash. Of course as I mentioned above, 'hard core' came to mean something a bit different later on, but within the context of the above quoted statement I think it's appropriate quercus robur 12:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The logo

Ok, so the text says, "The aforementioned logo represented an amalgamation of several 'icons of authority' including the Christian Cross, the swastika and the Union Flag combined with a two headed snake consuming itself (to symbolise the idea that power will eventually destroy itself)." The source is an interview in 'New Crimes' fanzine, issue 3, winter 1980. The thing is, I do not and never have seen any indication of the Union Jack, nor of a swastika, except for perhaps elements of a bent swastika, and I have no way of looking at the original source material. I did however come across this altered Crass logo which appears to have been for the Sheep Farming in the Falklands single. The Union Jack is clearly present, and although I still don't see a clear swastika, the elements of a bent one still remain. Is there any way that interview was talking about this logo instead? Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 09:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

No its definately the original Dave King logo that is being refered to, and these elements are definately there. This has been stated by Rimbaud and others in several fanzines and elsewhere, I'll see if i can find another more easily verifiable reference however quercus robur 17:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

That's ok. I trust you know what you're talking about on this one. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 01:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rival Tribal Rebel Revels flexi

A small niggle ....wasn't the Toxic Graffiti zine spelt as I have rather than Graffity? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.48.92 (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Here's a scan of the cover from the Southern website, which goes with the 'grafity' spelling [1] , however I don't think that Mike Diboll who produced the zine was too fussed about spelling, so it probably differed from issue to issue! quercus robur 20:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox header

Well, the style recently seems to be to replace raw text headers on band infoboxes with stylised images of the band's logo/name as it appears on their official releases. Someone has just given Crass this treatment.

I think there's a problem in that they've chosen to use the entire crass logo, which is a big circle and just looks fucking wrong. I guess the thing to do would be to use the stencil text but not the whole logo. I'll get to that eventually, but if anyone else feels the need to comment, I thought I'd open it up. ~Switch ^{t c g} 04:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it looks cluttered and quite ugly personally. Its also not a particularly well executed rendition of the Dave King Crass logo quercus robur 09:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've replaed it with an image of just the stenilled text. It definitely suits better than the full logo. I'm in no way attahed to it though, so if anyone feels very strongly about it, they can remove the image. I never would have bothered if an image hadn't been plaed there to begin with. ~Switch ^{t c g} 12:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

That looks much better quercus robur 13:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Over-linked

I can't help but feel that the last edit has left this article over- linked, including to completely irrelevant articles, such as an album by a heavy metal band. Howeevr some of the new links are valid, but I personally havn't got time to sift through right now, doeas anybody else fancy taking a look?? quercus robur 08:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)