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[edit] Who was at the Controls?

The plane Lidle was in had two sets of controls. Therefore, no one at the moment can say for sure who was flying the plane at impact or at any other time of the flight. This may be determined after an NTSB investigation, but that's months away. I'm therefore changing any wording that says Lidle was piloting or at the conrols and the like to reflect the fact that it's unknown. --Spiff666 14:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Please Remove the Controversies. I know it may seem odd but it wasn't even a large deal. Many players have this after they leave a team includng Abreu, Alex Rodriguez and more.

The Arthur Rhodes quote makes it worth it. Guy is still holding grudges 12 years later.Zzz345zzz

CNN IS CONFIRMING DRUG USE. Him and the instructor apperently had cocaine on the plane.

Link? Sjt81 01:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Needs a citation for death if true.

Has only been confirmed that the plane is registered to him. Rabbethan 20:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Law enforcment in NY has conformed that a "Yankee Member" was on the plane at the time according to Fox News.erbbysam 20:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This would be a good time to CITE THE SOURCE

CNN: "UNCLEAR if he was on the plane." Stop putting on there that he is dead. ChangeOfFate 20:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I just heard from FOX that that's true, looking for an article on their site Russianmissile 20:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

CNN just confirmed it. RIP Cory Lidle. Rabbethan 20:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

ESPN is also reporting his death. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860 -Big Smooth 20:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Beat me to it, it's on the espn.com newspage. SirFozzie 21:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yahoo says he was on the plane, but it's unknown whether he was killed. 68.2.169.250 21:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry, that was me. Beau99 21:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

"Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the pilot of a small airplane that crashed into a 50-story Manhattan condominium, killing Lidle and three others, according to the New York medical examiner's office." ESPN.com is quoting the NYC Medical Examiner's office. It's cited, he's dead, get over it.

-Unverifable Yahoo! News says he's feared dead, so are we sure he's dead? We may want to put some "feared" or "unverified" there. --Simfan34 21:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

NY times says he was "killed today when his small private plane crashed into a residential high-rise building" according to a "high-ranking official." <http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/nyregion/12crashcnd.html?hp&ex=1160625600&en=43676d689354db2c&ei=5094&partner=homepage> --Grand Slam 7 23:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anon IP block

It would be a good idea for the time being. ☆ CieloEstrellado 20:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Agreed. However, you need to stop adding the line about Joe Torre. I've seen no encyclopedia that uses the present tense in its articles. Please stop adding it.
  • I agree. WTStoffs 20:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Agreed. SirFozzie 21:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I have already requested this. --Charlesknight 21:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be helping the situation one bit. I disagree after seeing the pace of editing continue. - — Rickyrab | Talk 21:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Disagree. TexasDawg 21:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The death section

Should be at the end no?

--Charlesknight 21:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

His passport was found. Still doesn't sound like "He's Dead" to me... ChangeOfFate 21:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the pilot of a small airplane that crashed into a 50-story condominium in Manhattan, and Lidle is one of two confirmed dead, New York police said. (Lead story on ESPN.COM) SirFozzie 21:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Every news agency is reporting he's dead now. Unless he's T.O., I'd trust them.Mustang6172 21:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Would people stop saying "there is speculation that he was involved"? Every news agency short of Al Jazeera has confirmed his death. He is dead. Chris 21:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] He died

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ESPN has confirmed his death - [1] Corydied 21:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think so, also, what's up with the terrorism mention being a possibility...everything I've seen says otherwise fixed now Russianmissile 21:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Stop changing it to speculation. He died. I live here in NY. Times is reporting it as is every newstation as is Joe Torre manager of the Yankees. He died ont he plane. PantheraLeo 21:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, FBI confirms he was piloting the plane. Yeah, he's dead now. I'll take the FBI's word over ESPN's. Thanks. ChangeOfFate 21:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Pitcher believed dead; passport found in street, sources tell CNN 128.2.125.108 21:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

AP still casts doubt. I say we refrain from a making a decision untill a consesus among the news agencie's is reahced.[2]

Seriously - "FBI Believes" is not the same thing as a confirmation. As of yet, I haven't seen any real confirmation that he's dead. Just because ESPN or Fox News says he's dead doesn't mean he is. They have no source of confirmation. It's poor journalism, giving a definitive answer with nothing to back it up.

They found his passport on the ground! I don't think he dropped it from his pocket walking down the street as a plane which just happened to be registered to him crashes into an apartment. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 22:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
What if someone else was using his plane and his passport was just in the plane? He is very likely dead, but without true confirmation I think people are irresponsibly jumping to conclusions.

This might help make sense out of why the sources have been so confused. WEEI (a sports radio station in Boston) reported tonight that at the time of the accident his wife and son were on a commercial flight heading to California and could not be reached. Presumably, official sources were trying to reach his family to tell them directly, so they didn't hear this on the news, but rumors got out of hand. Rickterp 02:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The bottom line is, Lidle is presumed dead, not dead. No body has been found. This page should not list him as deceased. October 13th, 1:07 AM eastern time

What are you talking about, his body was found, family notified by the authorities....it's no longer in question.71.119.202.68 00:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
His body has not been officially identified yet, unless that has changed in the 6 or so hours since I've read up on the story. Stoneice02 07:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
He is dead. His family has been informed, his body has been identified. I don't understand why this is still being doubted.

[edit] NBC, CBS, and ABC seem to be going at it, too

He apparently did die in the crash. — Rickyrab | Talk 21:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


The bottom line is, Lidle is presumed dead, not dead. No body has been found. This page should not list him as deceased.

He is DEAD> Knock off the "presumed" stuff, and quit trying to fool yourself.

[edit] Terrorism / Accident?

"Cory Lidle died October 11th 2006 when his plane crashed into a residential building in New York. Initial speculation regarding the place crash included the cause being terrorism, rather than an accident."

All the major news stations are reporting it as an accident, NOT terrorism. An FBI spokeswoman also said there is no indication of terrorism. The sentence should be changed. MonkBirdDuke 21:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

For obvious reasons the first guess on the crash was terrorism, but I think that's out the window if you confirm it's Lidle. (Expect a bunch of unsourced speculation about suicide soon.) Fan-1967 21:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Players for the Yankees commit terrorism? — Rickyrab | Talk 21:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well it was a crappy season for them. ;)--KrossTalk 21:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
A-Rod's defense was pretty bad this year, but I wouldn't call it terrorism. Fan-1967 21:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
After that series against Detroit, suicide may be probable. MonkBirdDuke 21:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not about to add anything about it, but I was thinking about this as a suicide even without the article as it is implying it. --BDD 21:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Suicide would be more likely than terrorism, though an accident is most likely of all. Since when does a Yankees player commit terrorism by flying into a Manhattan building (now if it crashed in Boston...)--Grand Slam 7 23:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20567155-2,00.html - it says he only just got his license, and his flight instructor was the other person killed - I'd say it was inexperience. It seems everyone in the apartment block has survived - I don't know how serious the injuries are.

The image was created the plane hitted 19th floor on the bourder of Manhattan and Queens in the main New agencies and only later it was changed into 40th (the first image was huge, coreection -neglibble). We understand, what could mean 19th after 11 09 2001

urba, Lithuania - (the UK Queen is coming to Vilnius)

What does it mean? -BASEBALL; In Lidle, Yanks Have Extra Pitcher and Backup Pilot



Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. September 8, 2006, Friday By TYLER KEPNER (NYT); Sports Desk Late Edition - Final, Section D, Page 5, Column 1, 989 words DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - When the Yankees fly, the pilots are not only in the cockpit. There is another pilot in the main cabin, where the players sit. He is probably studying his hand-held Global Positioning System receiver, tracking the weather and noting the plane's precise speed and altitude. He is Cory Lidle, ..

[edit] Picture

I think that Lidle, being a baseball player first and formost, should have a baseball related picture up, not just a picture of him with his plane Russianmissile 21:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

He'll be remembered as the guy who flew his plane into a building though. MonkBirdDuke 21:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Undoubtedly, but his main picture should be in the context of baseball, since that was his profession and the original source of his notability. Bhumiya (said/done) 21:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The picture of the airplane is a cessna 172, not the Cirrus CR-20 he was flying today. Fox News TV reported that it was a CR-20, and Mayor Bloomberg stated that it was a composite airplane and mostly burned up, not the aluminum that the cessna is made from.

[edit] Edit conflicts

Sorry, please revert my changes re: the date of death. The version previous to mine was better formatted. --Uncle Ed 21:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I never seen a page edited so much in so much time, several edits every 15 seconds even semi-protected RIP, he was a decent pitcher. Jaranda wat's sup 21:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] STOP

Stop changing it, the death is confirmed. NeoExelor 21:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

From what Source?? User:ericmc783

  • ESPN and Every news source in America NeoExelor 21:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

ESPN has confirmed his death. Stop editing it out. We have a source link. Gogf 21:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This page sure is being edited alot. MonkBirdDuke 21:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
And it's really annoying. I keep getting edit conflicts! Gogf 21:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


  • As of 17:15 EST, CNN and FoxNews both state they cannot officially confirm that Lidle is among the dead. We should wait for another official verification other than ESPN before declaring him dead, although I'm not editing the actual page at all. ericmc783 21:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • They also found his passport.

Kill confirmed NeoExelor 21:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It is not confirmed until his remains are found and identified. I think it is inappropriate to say that he is dead in the article until it is confirmed. --Aguerriero (talk) 21:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Confirming dental records and DNA is going to take a very long time; I think it's prudent enough to put it on the page since most news networks are confirming it. Afterall, I think if Lidle were still alive he'd probably call someone to set it straight by now. MonkBirdDuke 21:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
To some degree, the news networks have gotten things wrong before, and they often cite each other when reporting unfolding events. I'd consider that before choosing which syntax. Notary137 21:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

He called a radio show just a couple of days ago to defend himself over the hosts ripping some of his quotes. He called in right away. With that being said, I'm pretty sure that he would have called SOMEBODY by now to refute the reports of his death if he was alive. Or am I crazy... J-Dog 23:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Torre

Why are people adding Joe Torre as a source? Even the links you're using as references don't mention Torre's name. Please stop adding Torre to the article until it's verifiable.

CNN had Torre confirming that it was Lidle's plane. Fan-1967 21:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
So does ESPN and CNBCZzz345zzz
Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/11/plane.crash/index.html -- Fan-1967 21:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


WFAN NY Mike and the Maddog both confirmed that Torre told them he was on the plane. PantheraLeo 21:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
So please explain why it needs to be in an encyclopedia entry about a person? And using present tense speech no less. This isn't a blog, it's an encyclopedia.
Well I didn't add that bit into the article. Just telling you why it would be and how he is involved in the sitaution. Whether it should be there or not is besides the point : P PantheraLeo 21:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
You're using retard radio hosts as a named source? MonkBirdDuke 21:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, let's all calm down. RIP Cory Lidle. AP and ESPN both confirmed his death. sjt81
Agreed that people need to calm down. People need to stop editing the article adding things like "ESPN is now reporting..."

[edit] Stop updating as if this is a blog

Stop adding each bit of "breaking news" to this entry. Editing the page and adding things like "The mayor now says..." or "ESPN is now claiming that..." is unprofessional at best and horrible writing style at worst.--Kester Teague 21:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This should all be deleted. ChangeOfFate 21:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, folks were demanding Confirmation and Sources, at least leave it up until the furor dies down and then clean it up. SirFozzie 21:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

the blog style edits have more to do with people wanting to see their name in the history list, their 0.15 mins of fame, than the correct use of Wiki. Wiki is not meant to be an repository for the idle speculation of the 24/7 news networks. There have been over 400 edits since this story broke, absurd. Let the dust settle, then edit. MrMarmite 22:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I have no opininon on this, it's not vandalism and is by valid sourced all I know is many people broke WP:3RR in this revert war though. Jaranda wat's sup 23:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death not yet confirmed

The mayor has said that officials will not release any names until next of kin notfied. Chivista 21:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That does not mean his death is unconfirmed.--Kester Teague 21:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't mean he is dead either. ChangeOfFate 21:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It's pretty standard for the mayor to say something to that effect, but he doesn't control the media. If it was confirmed by other sources, it's still confirmed. Confirming a person's death isn't the exclusive domain of the Mayor of New York. Kafziel Talk 21:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Confirming dental records and DNA is going to take a very long time; I think it's prudent enough to put it on the page since most news networks are confirming it. Afterall, I think if Lidle were still alive he'd probably call someone to set it straight by now. MonkBirdDuke 21:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It's confirmed at this New York Times link. dcandeto 21:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyway we can get another news source besides "ESPN"? I mean can anyone show us an AP Link confirming this? AP > ESPN, kthxbai. ChangeOfFate 21:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
There is an AP report on yahoo linked on the page. ESPN is the leading news source for sports, while other things on the crash I would not use them as a source, they would be able to find sources close to the Lidle family and Yankee organization. The sports world is acting as he has died. Coaches from former teams have spoke.
ESPN is now also reporting that his wife is on a commercial flight, which would be a reason for next of kin not being notified. (notice how this is on the discussion page, not claiming it's fact) sjt81
Yes. Now if the others would follow your lead...or go get a myspace page if they need to see their words on the internet.--Kester Teague 22:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Most recent update on ESPNews is that Lidle's passport and wallet were found, but that the bodies of those killed have yet to be recovered. Jermey Schapp of ESPN states that, as of 30 minutes ago, the family of Lidle still had not been notified.
I would also like to add Steinbrenner as those confirming Lidle's death. [3] - megarockman

[edit] Over/Under

1 day until the NYC media blames it all on A-rod.Zzz345zzz

Why is the page locked? It's confirmed that Lidle has died.

The page is semiprotected right now because, unfortunately, a current event like this triggers a high rate of anonymous vandalism. This is regrettable for good-faith new editors who want to contribute to the article, but there is too much bad experience with leaving pages like this unprotected. Newyorkbrad 21:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I've seen tons of crazy vandalism today...agree with the lock. MonkBirdDuke 01:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airplane photo

The plane in the photo with him is not the plane involved in the crash (Cirrus 20). This one looks like a Cessna, maybe. It definitely isn't the plane in the crash, as that plane has a low wing (http://www.answers.com/topic/cirrus-sr20) and the plane in the photo has a high wing. Unless he owns two planes, or previously owned the one in the photo, it is questionable whether the plane in the photo is "his plane." Even if it is/was, it might be helpful to clarify that it was not the plane in the crash. Thanks.

[edit] Last game

He pitched last on October 7. Not October 1.

October 1 was last regular-season game; October 7 was a playoff game. Newyorkbrad 22:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note 2 is incorrect

"Yankee Cory Lidle on NYC plane; 2 killed, Associated Press, accessed October 11, 2006". The headline now says "Yankee Cory Lidle presumed 1 of 2 killed". There is still no real confirmation he's dead.

ESPN and MLB.com have both reported that he is dead. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 22:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Does it matter at the moment? Wiki is not a 24/7 news service. Why the 400+ edits in the last couple of hours. Do people really think people come to wiki for up to the minute news/speculation? MrMarmite 22:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly.--Kester Teague 23:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I was only pointing out the inaccuracy of the link.

[edit] Thurman Munson

For ease of comparison and contrast, please add "see also" link to Thurman Munson, a Yankee who also died in a plane crash, in 1979. 171.161.160.10 22:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. JonathanFreed 22:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Why was it taken out in the first place? I added it when I saw Clemente in there, then it got the hook for "already being mentioned," even though Munson's probably more relevant to Lidle than Clemente. Drjayphd 08:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bloomburg

I believe that continuing to add minute details from the mayor's press conference is silly and amatuerish. His press conference is already forgotten so I see no need to include it. It gives the article the feel of a tabloid website or someone's personal blog or myspace page.--Kester Teague 22:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listing in Category:Accidental suicide victims?

That seems dubious to me. Is there a source that would say that his death was accidental? I'd think if somebody crashed a plane into a building, then it would have had to have been deliberate. ESPN said that Lidle had been flying a plane a lot in the last several years; that sounds like he knew what he was doing. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 23:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

He started flying relatively recently, see this article, and reportedly called in a fuel emergency shortly before crashing. Newyorkbrad 23:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I highley doubt that this was a "Suicide" in the common thought of the word. Accidental Suicide, possibly. But recent reports say that we do not know who had the controls at time of impact(Lidle or the flight instructor on board). What we do know is that Lidle has had his pilot liscense for 7 months.
While I originally thought it could be termed an accidental suicide if he were flying the plane I'm not so sure now. The accidental suicide category only has like 8 people in it. Most either shot themselves somehow or other or killed themselves from autoerotic asphyixation. One blew himself up while makinga bomb. When someone puts a gun to their head and pulls the trigger (or something similar) I guess it's fairly easy to say it's an accidental sucide. But when it's an accident like this, I'm not so sure. Let me give another example. if someone were to be killed in a car accident and they were driving and the accident were completely their fault (e.g. they fell asleep and rammed into a truck, were drunk and similar, ran a red light, whatever) would you call it an accidental sucide? I wouldn't... This is actually quite complicated. If someone takes the wrong pills for example (and it's completely their fault) would you call it an accidental suicide? Nil Einne 09:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suicide?

Suicide is certainly a possibility, though it is too soon to put it in that category. He has a history of mercurial mouthing off (expunged from the article by somebody), so it occurred to me that he might have been having emotional problems. Stuff happens and power loss during flight is extremely difficult for any pilot, but it is bad piloting to crash into the side of a building instead of gliding to Central Park or the water. Also, he had his passport with him. What's up with that? Hu 23:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It is possible he was on his way to Florida for the offseason, though no flight plan was filed. He would of had to make stops en route to Florida. Now on espn they say he may have been taking a multi stop flight to California. Sjt81 23:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Last I heard neither California nor Florida required passports. However, he could have been flying by airliner from there to a foreign country. NPR just reported that there were two people on board the plane, which argues against a suicide. Hu 23:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
As a Major Leauge Baseball Player he may always have his passport with him. ESPN just announced the passport was found in a bag.Sjt81 23:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Going theory is he was cleaning his stuff out of his locker. I'm pretty sure the team itself keeps players' passports handy. It would be unwieldy for each player to have to remember to take theirs. "Oh, I forgot mine" and the like. 24.228.54.78 00:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Unlikely...he had hotel reservations for later on and someone else was in the plane with him. Thunderbunny 05:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Neither CNN, NY Times, or MLB.com is saying it was suicide, so unless there is another source sayng it was, it would probably be best to assume an accident for now. Grand Slam 7 12:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It is sufficient just to say they are dead and that there was a crash. NTSB is there to determine if it was an accident, the cause i.e. mechanical or human. Any further is NOT encycopedic. Chivista 13:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Suicide might be a theory if he had been alone in the plane, but seems pretty implausible with a flight instructor in the other seat. Fan-1967 14:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


"On Wednesday 11th October Cory crashed his plane into a tower block in New York killing himself and his flying instructor." This line seems to imply - to me - that Lidle committed suicide (which, at this point, is wrong). I just think the line needs to be a little more clear. What does everyone think? --joeinthebox 17:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree; have copyedited accordingly. Newyorkbrad 18:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Much better. Thanks--joeinthebox 18:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
If u could see some coincidence among 'LADen' and 'LiDle', u say - it corresponds to semiotics used by psychologists from secret services. XXI age is the age of autopilot...

[edit] Controversy section

I removed it. Undue weight was being given to a minor spat. Elliskev 23:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the removal.--Kester Teague 23:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
The particular spat with the Phillies just after a trade was minor. The broader controversy about his having been a replacement player in 1995 was somewhat more significant and may be worth mentioning; cf., for example, Rick Reed. But this isn't the time to worry about it. Newyorkbrad 23:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Minor?? it was talked about for weeks on sports radio, it should be put back. Only reason it was removed is because he died and people only want to speak good of the dead, how about we speak the truth insteadKrawhitham 07:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The reason it was removed is specified above. At the time, the section accounted for about three-fourths one-third of the article. It was undue weight. Elliskev 13:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] de

de:Cory Lidle can someone add this, thanks --129.217.129.133 23:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. Hu 23:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aircraft Picture

The aircraft in the picture is a Cessna 172, not a Cirrus SR20. 64.180.214.139 01:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] semi-protection

I removed the semi-protection notice because it isn't semi-protected.-67.121.125.130 01:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wtf

the guy is dead, why does the article assume he isnt?!

Because everyone on here is spineless and gunshy. MonkBirdDuke 02:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Just for reference, ESPN has reported that the family has been notified by authorities, and Cory Lidle's brother was on Larry King Live. His wallet was found on a 4th floor ledge, and his body has been recovered. This is no longer speculation. He was on his way home to California, and was scheduled to stop in Tennessee tonight.Sjt81 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] there is an article about crash

see October 11, 2006 New York City plane crash. Most of the topics on this page should be discussed there. Pacman 16:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lidle's constant reassignments.....

Anyone know the reason why Lidle was shipped around from team to team?....he averaged more than one team per year. Was he disagreeable? Or was it his performance?

Not sure, although he was known to have a mercurial temperment and his being a replacement player in 1994 may not have made him the most popular person around the clubhouse. JYolkowski // talk 02:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Lidle was one of those serviceable, back of the starting rotation kind of pitchers. Guys like that usually don't get long-term contracts and often play for many teams over the course of their careers. Lidle did OK for himself, though, his career won-loss record was a very respectable 82-72. Outtaherephils 02:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
He was never "the" guy for a team. He was a Pitcher that had value, teams would pick him up, but he wasn't the type of guy you give a 5 year deal too.Sjt81 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Eh, it happens in modern baseball even to the best liked guys. It would actually just be unusual if he'd just been with one team for his entire career. --Ed Word 16:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The image was created the plane hitted 19th floor on the bourder of Manhattan and Queens in the main New agencies and only later it was changed into 40th (the first image was huge, coreection -neglibble). We understand, what could mean 19th after 11 09 2001

urba, Lithuania - (the UK Queen is coming to Vilnius)

What does it mean? -BASEBALL; In Lidle, Yanks Have Extra Pitcher and Backup Pilot


  • Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. September 8, 2006, Friday

By TYLER KEPNER (NYT); Sports Desk Late Edition - Final, Section D, Page 5, Column 1, 989 words DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - When the Yankees fly, the pilots are not only in the cockpit. There is another pilot in the main cabin, where the players sit. He is probably studying his hand-held Global Positioning System receiver, tracking the weather and noting the plane's precise speed and altitude. He is Cory Lidle, ...

[edit] Death Section.

I took that block of information that seemed to be accidentally placed in the "See Also" section into the "Death" section. This section will probably need some cleaning up and some more re-organization to reduce redundancy and improve clarity. Thanks. --joeinthebox 18:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Flight Instructor

The article has conflicting spellings of the name of the Flight instructor. Is he Tyler Stanger or Tyler Stranger? Jamesino 22:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Stanger is how ESPN is pronouncing itSjt81 23:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I think we should unify the article so that there is only one spelling of his name instead of two. Jamesino 23:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
agreed, Stanger is used in the main article on the Crash, and thus I replaced all instances of "Stranger" with "Stanger"Sjt81 23:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Stanger is also used by NY Times and the LA Times. --joeinthebox 07:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Life Insurance

What does everyone else think about the inclusion of information from the following news article into either this article or the actual event's article? I am pretty neutral on it, but I came across the article and thought I'd put it up for debate. [4] Stoneice02 03:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Since it's apparently being written about by the AP I don't see why we couldn't mention it. But should we? Since it's just speculation right now (if he was the pilot, his family might not get the benefit), I say we wait until more is known. Who really wants to read an article that's all speculation, even if it's well-referenced speculation? --Ed Word 14:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who Exactly Was the Flight Instructor?

There is a difference between the account of the crash on this page and the Wikinews article which names the flight instructor as Robert Paulson. Is Wikinews wrong or is it Wikipedia? [1]

I think someone was having a little fun with the Wikipedia page. Robert Paulson is a fictional character in the film Fight Club. I changed it back to what all the news reports are still stating: Tyler Stanger.--71.156.62.61 17:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

  1. ^ "The flight instructor was Robert Paulson."

[edit] Protection

I would like to make a motion to having this page granted protection from random, non-registered editing untill further notice. Basbalfrk 19:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A-Rod accident

I edited someone else's entry about yesterday's A-Rod plane accident to remove some extraneous POV material - but I question whether this paragraph should be in the article at all. Yes, it is an eerie coincidence but is it really appropriate for a page about Cory Lidle? Tvoz 04:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

  • The news media seem to be playing up the coincidental connection. Wahkeenah 04:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that's why I didn't remove it - but still it seems kind of inappropriate on a page about Lidle - it should be about him, his career, and of course his death, not conspiracy theories and screwball ideas about upsidedown dates. I suppose the A-rod story isn't quite that so I left it up, but did want to get the sense of others here. No big deal either way. Tvoz 05:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Conspiracy theory? That would be a major stretch, but there's no accounting for paranoia. It's a strange coincidence that, at least for the moment, deserves a mention, but should be downplayed as just that and nothing more, given the lack of any evidence to the contrary. The media, of course, like to make connections. If it weren't for the Lidle story, the A-Rod story would come and go much more quickly, as there were no casualties. Wahkeenah 07:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


I took it out. Revert if you must, but it's an unrelated superstitious implication that has no place in an encyclopedia. 155.212.44.58 14:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arthur Rhodes

Is there any quote from Arthur Rhodes after Cory Lidle passed away. Keep in mind Arthur Rhodes is the individual who is quoted as calling Cory Lidle a 'scab' and a 'replacement player.


[edit] Pterodactyl

Whoever replaced "airplane" with Pterodactyl is an asshole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.86.122.109 (talk) 02:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

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