Talk:Conwy

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[edit] Move to Conwy (town) and redirect to Conwy (disambiguation)?

• Whereas, if someone said "I'm from Conwy" and the speaker and I were not in Conwy (county) at the time [added], I would probably assume they meant the county borough unless there was information to assume otherwise (like references to "town"), and local newspapers seem to use "Conwy" to refer to the larger area when it is without qualification;
• whereas, especially given there is an election tomorrow, if it was in the context of a political sort of discussion, I would assume someone was talkng about the constituency;
• whereas, if someone precededed it by the definite article or it was in a geomorphological context, I would assume they were taking about the river or valley;

I believe, as a local person, that it is no longer clear that readers looking for Conwy would be necessarily looking for the town given the increasingly widespread use of Conwy to refer to more than the town; therefore, it is appropriate to move this article to Conwy (town) and redirect Conwy to Conwy (disambiguation).

(BTW, I'm not sure which came first--I think probably the river--not that would be relevant AFAIK.)

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:03, 2005 May 4 (UTC)

Therein lies the problem with people using local government areas in a wider context for which they were not intended. Conwy the town has existed for hundreds of years and now a local governemnt area that has existed for a mere nine years is assumed to usurp it? The town is much more famous world-wide than the local government area - think of the potential audience of these articles: People will be looking for the town than contains the castle rather than a local government area. Owain 18:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Maybe you are right, but I do feel that it is the county that is often been refered to these days in extra-county contexts. Personally, I always follow the county with county so it is clear.

I was all for calling it Aberconwy, Conwyshire or Sir Conwy; keeping it as Aberconwy and Colwyn, or naming it after an ancient Celtic tribe of the area. However, the newly formed council decided to rename Aberconwy and Colwyn to Conwy on its first day, for some unknown reason. One of the results was that people who added the county to the end of the snail adresses (which is de facto practice, though not actually required) had their mail delivered to Conwy (town) Post Office, because the Post Office's (both electronic and human--I believe) sorters look for the first postal town going from the bottom of the envelope upwards.

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 16:16, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

Conwyshire? Uggh. That's almost as crass as Malvernshire. These local government areas are not replacements for traditional counties. They are not meant to be used in any kind of geographical sense, other than the extent to which local government services are provided. I am not surprised that people who put 'Conwy' on addresses found their mail going to the town of Conwy. What did they expect? Conwy is not a county! Owain 14:40, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Oppose - most commonly used to describe the town; where town name and potential disambiguator coincide we have attempted to leave the town article undisambiguated - e.g. Bromley, Newport. Warofdreams 11:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I accept this point. It appears that the status quo would be more in-line with de facto WP practice wrt places (which seems to tend a lot more towards not disambiguating compared to non-place articles). I, therefore, concede that the article does not need to be moved, although, maybe, the practice for places in general should be discussed more.

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 16:03, 2005 May 20 (UTC)

This was moved to Conwy (town) but, considering the comments above, I've returned it to Conwy. For the record I too oppose the move suggestion. violet/riga (t) 11:20, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] mediaeval

As Joe Blakesley rightly says above 'Conwy the town has existed for hundreds of years' so too has 'mediaeval' as the correct spelling. When I learnt the English language in the 1950's it was still the preferred Concise Oxford Dictionary spelling. Have Wikifolk nowt better to do with their time and abilities than find fault with that which the Wikidictionary accepts? Answers within two days or I will change the spelling (not originally my entry) back.

NoelWalley 19:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Er, that was me! I agree with you — "medieval" is clearly an Americanism; Every time I've used the word I've also used the 'æ' ligature as well, so when you do your revert, slip it in! :) Owain 20:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Apologies everyone - I changed it back without reading the discussion first (and have added the dipthong too).
Velela 17:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Jolly Good, many thanks NoelWalley 21:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)