Talk:Continental Airlines

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Contents 1 Incidents and Accidents 2 Bankruptcy 3 Lorenzo Merger 4 Focus Cities 5 Presidents Club Article 6 Trivia Section - Continental 7 TfD nomination of Template:OTA 8 Continental Service to Moscow. 9 Continental Houston-Delhi/Tel-Aviv? 10 ONE PASS 11 Verifiability 12 OnePass flags 13 Destinations 14 Merge from List of trivia associated with Continental Airlines 15 Boeing 777-200ER order update 16 President's club 17 slogan makes article look like an ad???

[edit] Incidents and Accidents

Hello, this is my first time to try to add a comment so I'm not sure how to do it but I was reading the Incidents and Accidents page on Continental Airlines and I believe their may be a crash that was left out. Some time before the 1980s I think their was a 727-200 that crashed on takeoff in Denver due to windshear. Someone may wish to research this and add it to the page. I have heard about this and seen a picture of the crash on the internet. Not to be confused with the DC-9-10 crash in Denver due to ice on the wings. That was a later crash. Thanks.

Either some serious incidents should be listed or the tail strike should be removed. As with every major airline, they've had serious incidents including the first terrorist attack on an aircraft and whatnot, so listing the most mundane incident possible is pretty misleading.

Some years ago a flight went down in a snowstorm in Colorado. The past few years have been quiet.

On May 2, 2006, a Continental Express Embraer Regional jet had to make an emergency landing at George Bush intercontinental after it blew 2 tires after takeoff. The pilot managed to make a safe landing, with not even a spark flying.

I added the May 2nd Incident. Even though it is minor, it still is an incident. Once a determination if minor incidents should be included or not, this can be removed at that time. I personally believe they should as it still is encyclopedic. Spryde 11:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I have reverted the deletion of the minor incidents and also the mention of Continental's involvement in the Concorde crash in Paris; as long as the info is accurate and sourced I don't see what the problem is. Let's argue about it here if necessary rather than get into edit-warring please! Guinnog 14:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Concorde crash and two other incidents. I believe we should only include crashes. Every airline has numerous tyre blow-outs, near-misses and other happenings that are not crashes. I do not believe these are encyclopedic, I think they look like padding and lower the quality of the article. Just my opinion, I certainly won't rerevert! - Adrian Pingstone 14:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Arpingstone. If we listed every single minor incident it would take a huge amount of space. An airline like Continental, which has been around for over 70 years, has had quite a few minor mishaps. The list should just be crashes and other major events. Dbinder 18:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the removal of "minor" incidents, but the Concorde incident was far from minor, granted it was not Continental equipment that was "damaged", but if i am not mistaken, were they not cited as a cause of the crash, and did not legation come against them in regards to the crash. If proper sourced i see not reason not to include the information, to not include it is to whitewash their involvement in the incident. These would be like not disregarding the involvement of other airlines in other incidents due to the fact the the other airlines did not loose life or equipment --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

This "Note that as of 2004, Continental Express is no longer majority owned by Continental Airlines, but only a code-share partner, so it may be inappropriate to list this incident here." was in the section incidents and accidents. It sounds like it belongs in the talk page. I think the embraer incident should be left there since the company does business for Continental. It is basically a Continental flight.

In the Delta section, there are a bunch of people (editors) who want to rid of all traces of DL Connection accidents but (possibly unintentionally?) add information about DL service when it's really DL Connection service. We, in the CO wikipedia article, appear to be more open and include CO Express accidents as people who buy CO tickets get ticketed on those flights (they don't call JetExpress or Gulfstream Int'l for reservations). Perhaps we could separate the accidents into 2 subsections for clarity. We wouldn't be hiding information by deleting the CO Express accidents. TL500 18:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)TL500

Continental Express incidents should go on the Continental Express page, with a link from the mainline incidents section. New service on CO Exp. should also be on the Exp page, again with a link from the mainline page. DB (talk) 19:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bankruptcy

The article gives short shrift to what actually happened in the first bankruptcy. Continental became a "low cost" carrier in that bankruptcy by ditching all its union contracts in court and imposing low costs. This was, at the time, a radical strategy. Many union employees were replaced with non-union employees. Nor was the airline liquidated during the first bankrupty. Debts were discharged and union contracts abrogated. The airline, far from being liquidated, continued to operate. The rebranding that occured during the first bankruptcy was to ditch the regional "Texas International" moniker for Texas-area flights and to adopt the classier "Continental" name for both.

[edit] Lorenzo Merger

The article is missing the startup of New York Air, which Lorenzo started as part of his rivalry with People Express. It was later folded into Continental.

[edit] Focus Cities

Please see the recent question on WikiProject Airlines about airline focus cities. Dbinder 19:35, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Would you care to cite the "previous discussion" that says we shouldn't abbreviate airport names? - Sekicho 21:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The British Airways talk page has it, and I've seen it discussed elsewhere. I don't really care one way or the other, but it should be consistent. Also, some airports did have to be abbreviated almost to the point of illegibility, such as Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood. Dbinder 17:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Presidents Club Article

This should be merged into the Continental Airlines article. It isn't noteworthy enough to merit its own article. Every major carrier has airport lounges, but they don't have their own articles. The only reason the Admirals Club (AA) has one is because it was the first. Dbinder 13:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• There are are least 2 other articles on airline clubs. Vegaswikian 23:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The article isn't particularly interesting and there's not much you can say about the clubs. As a member for about a decade, I can attest that they're very convenient albeit generally unremarkable. I think it's fine to merge them. Dbchip 04:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section - Continental

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:OTA

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[edit] Continental Service to Moscow.

Does any one know when Continental will begin service to Moscow. It currently says Spring 06. But does anyone know a more exact date?

No idea. It's not even in the published schedules yet. Have they received government approval for the route? Dbinder 23:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if they got government approval yet. It just says on the DME page Spring 2006

[edit] Continental Houston-Delhi/Tel-Aviv?

Is there a chance that Continental Airlines will begin service to either New Delhi or Tel-Aviv from Houston?

Doubt it, i cant see their being a large demand for flights to Tel-Aviv from the south west that would not cut into their service that flies from newark. Might be more of a demand for New Delhi, but i cant see that anytime soon, they would br more likely to fly it out of newark then houston, puls their is coverge form the partners on the route, and i dont know if they would be able to get authorization for the flight, considering that NW also goes to New Delhi via AMS. Also i dont know if they would have the equipment to do it, both i would guess need the 777, and for New Delhi you would more then likely make a stopover in europe, i woudl guess either CDG or AMS, though i duoubt AMS being that is a NW base. Thats just my thoughts. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ONE PASS

Hey, the onepass link links to the continental article. Yet, the article itself has very little info on it. Is there an error on the link? I have no idea on how to fix that. Brusegadi 12:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verifiability

Verifiablility is not a guideline - it is POLICY. I have reverted all edits made to the History section today after 10:03, December 26, 2006. Most of this material was added by two anon users, possibly the same person. In addition, you must cite the source in the text, usually as a footnote; Placing the source under the References heading is not enough.

If I accidently removed a genuinely-sourced addition, I am sorry. I felt this way was simpler than going through the whole section line-by-line. I have also added an {unreferenced} tag to the History section. THere are a number of sources listed in the reference section, from which I assume much of the existing article is taken. If you have one of these sources and wcan work to add cites, it would be greatly appreciated.

One more thing: There seems to be an understanding that if a company puts something in a press release, it does not have to be cited. To my knowledge, that is not so on Wikipedia. If I am wrong, please show me the relevant section in Wiki. - BillCJ 00:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The new references and citations look good. Thanks for the hard work. - BillCJ 19:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OnePass flags

What do you think of this idea? I took the idea from the Qantas page... it looks nice, but what are the downsides to adding such flags?--Golich17 18:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Destinations

The destinations list claimed the Continental serves for destinations in Japan than any other American airlines, in clear contradition to nwa's hub operations at Narita, as well as flying to KIX and Nagoya. I am not sure about Mexico and the UK (though that might also be wrong as well...doesn't Delta have the most trans atlantic routes of any airline?) SiberioS 02:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• Should Continental Micronesia be considered part of mainline destinations? If so, then that WOULD make them the US airline with the most Japan destinations. Should that distinction be made clearer? SiberioS 02:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd say CO Mike would be included, and I think the claim about the UK is true (Mexico might be as well). Either way, though, there needs to be a source for that. DB (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Continental Micronesia has been absorbed by Continental. TL500 18:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)TL500

[edit] Merge from List of trivia associated with Continental Airlines

Please merge any relevant content from List of trivia associated with Continental Airlines per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of trivia associated with Continental Airlines. Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-11 05:06Z

[edit] Boeing 777-200ER order update

I just wanted to give all editers a heads up. Continental has a press release stating that the remaining order of the Boeing 777 aircraft will be delivered within the next 45 days. Therefore, on April 26, 2007, Continental Airlines will have no orders for the 777 aircraft.--Golich17 19:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

A link of some sort to said press release would be most useful. --BetaCentauri 14:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] President's club

"Unlike lounges run by some of its larger competitors, the Presidents Club features an open bar..."

"Although the size of the network, 27 clubs, is small compared to larger airlines, members have full reciprocal privileges at over 40 additional locations including lounges operated by SkyTeam partners Delta Air Lines and Aeromexico along with the WorldClubs operated by Northwest Airlines..."

"The most unique lounge is a beautiful former dance club located at Washington D.C.'s National Airport. The Presidents Club, along with the Northwest WorldClubs and Qantas Club, offer lifetime memberships, something that currently costs non-elite members $4,690..."

"Continental Airlines President Club members are allowed to use partner clubs, which offer more clubs in more locations. For partner club information see club location information at continental.com..."

I'm not sure most people would think of this as encyclopaedic and it certainly doesn't sound NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.99.93.134 (talk) 11:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] slogan makes article look like an ad???

Shouldn't the slogan, "work hard, fly right" be moved elsewhere in the article? The first paragraph is an important summary. It would be as if the Obama article had the sentence, "Vote for Obama 2008!" in the introductory paragraph.