Talk:Confederacy of Independent Systems
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Since there's a symbol for the Republic, the Empire and the Alliance, is there one for the Separatists?
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[edit] Confederacy Symbol
There is one, on the blue flag in the background of this picture.
http://www.joecorroney.com/portfolio/Star_Wars/Star_Wars_Insider_Art/75GeneralGrievousFinal.jpg
Another source of the symbol for CIS is in Star Wars: Battlefront. It looks like a wing of a TIE Fighter. -- Darth Narutorious 06:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] in what way has the republic to corrupt?
"the Republic had become too corrupt"
in what way?
The Republic is fat and complacent. They squabble over the most basic of things. They didn't lift a hand to help Naboo when it was invaded. And they start the Clone Wars. They accept a Clone Army that was mysteriously ordered (no one knows why!) and invade Geonosis.
[edit] HMP Gunship or Heavy Missile Platform?
Shouldn't one of these two article links under the topic Ground Vehicles of the Confederacy be deleted? They both lead to the same article, so one should be gotten rid of, but which is the most appropiate title?
It's really both in one, but the appropiate title should be Heavy Missile Platform. J.Nebulax 12:04, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Holy Crap this article needs to be fixed
There are so many gramatical errors in this article, that someone should take the time to edit it, I will look for the more obvious ones, but I would like someone to check my work. Also does the quotes section need to be there? i think those could be removed or at least moved to the articles of the speaker. thanks
[edit] The bit about CIS victory being better
I cut that part out because A: it's entirely hypothetical, considering it didn't happen (in context of the story) and B: it's argumentative. I, for one, entirely disagree with it- I think it would have been just as bad, if not worse, than the Empire was. Think about it. Yes, Dooku genuinely wanted to 'fix' the Republic, but, as the ROTS novelization states, it was in the context of rebuilding it as an empire of humans ruling, led by an elite class of Sith Lords. He had no interest whatsoever in any sort of democratic government. It wouldn't even have had the semblance of democracy maintained by the Empire until just before the Battle of Yavin (ie the Imperial Senate). Nevermind the fact that Dooku wasn't even the big dog- Sidious was.
Then there's also the statements made by Padme in AOTC's novelization (I believe it was also in the AOTC cut scenes), where she essentially claims that a CIS victory would lead to nothing more than "big business without restraint". That, unlike what was written here, comes from a canon source.
So I stand by my decision to cut that section, and look forward to the discussion. --DarthBinky 02:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But ROTS novelization and Shatterpoint said that without Dooku, the CIS would've fallen apart. And given what the Empire went on to do, a feuding coalition of big businesses would've been an improvement. Note that Lucas promiscuously stuffed his trilogy with irony, and what would be more ironic than the good guy, the protector of the Republic, being its most mortal enemy, and its demonized attacker actually intending to save it? As for Dooku's plan... well, that would still be a republic, after all. And it certainly was far preferable to Palpatine's dark side dictatorship led by a constricted aristocracy and his own immortal self at its head. --maru (talk) contribs 02:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I still fail to see your reasoning. How would Dooku's Sith-ruled Empire be any different from Palpy's Empire? Especially considering Palpy would have ruled in either case? Remember, Dooku was never the real leader, Sid/Palp was; Dooku was just the figurehead/scapegoat, and really nothign more than a tool wielded by Palpy. How would this system still be a republic? It'd be an oligarchy, dominated by the elite Sith, ruled at their whim. I would venture that it'd be almost indistinguishable from the actual Empire forged by Palpy.
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- Also note that the CIS didn't fall apart after Dooku's death- it lived on a while longer, under Grievous' leadership. It didn't truly die until Vader made his visit to Mustafar, and they still had enough military left to be a threat, as evidenced by the Gizor Dellso incident. Sure, you could argue it wouldn't have lasted long, but that's still more theory stuff that doesn't belong in the article.
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- Padme's claim in AOTC novelization made it clear, at least to me, that the CIS-run big business system would not have been better for the galaxy- and at that point, it wasn't known to the good guys that the Sith were involved (Kenobi had just found out, but hadn't spoken to anyone yet).
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- Anyway, the fact that we're having such a discussion should be evidence that the theory does not belong in the article. --DarthBinky 03:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I suppose that I can't really show that a CIS would be as bad or better as the Empire was, but the Grievous example isn't a very good one- not much time passed between Dooku's death and Anakin's visit, so we can't extrapolate much- but remember the infighting with Grievous, and the fact that the leadership was almost forceably removed to Mustafar. But surely we can mention the irony! --maru (talk) contribs 03:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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- hehe, I'm not sold on the irony part either. :) Dooku never really meant to fix the Republic once he became a Sith and started the CIS, he intended to destroy, rebuild and rule it. And, like I've said already, Dooku wasn't even the boss or the driving force- Sidious was. I guess, in my view, the ironic part would only be that Palpy was fully in charge of both sides, and that's been mentioned in the article.--DarthBinky 04:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh, I totally understood what you're saying, but by the time he helped forge the CIS (remember, this is the article about the CIS, not Dooku) and start the Clone Wars, Dooku's real intentions were no longer the benevolent ones that caused him to leave the Jedi Order; it was just empty rhetoric, as we see in the ROTS novelization. He fully knew that what he was doing was meant to bring down the Jedi and the Republic so the Sith could rule. --DarthBinky 04:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Lucas stated maybe in a commentary I dont remember that the galaxy actually would have been better. plus it's the whole CSA thing all over again they never intended to annex the Repulic and lacked the resources to do so anyway they wanted freed liberty "to make lot's and lots of money without doing anything at all" Snidely Whiplash of Dudley Do Right, they wouldn't have destroyed the Repulic and it would have been democratic.
- Oh and by the way Greivius was never in charge formerley or informerley he ran the military that was it he died before any stuggle bettween he and the council could happen. Jamhaw 19:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)jamhaw
- Oh yeah I almost forgot in the novelisation (and your using examples from that alot) Dookuplannned to rebuild the Jedi.
- and Greiuvous was never ever head of State the largest stock holder Gunray was.
1. Well, a source for that quotation would be nice. But like I said, Palpatine was in charge. It didn't matter which side won, CIS or Republic; Palpatine/Sidious would be the ruler of the galaxy, period. And as we've seen, Palpatine wasn't a very nice ruler.
2. Actually, Grievous was in charge, but only briefly, and the article here even states this. In the movie he even orders Gunray around, telling him to go to Mustafar and telling him that he should "consider yourself lucky that you haven't found yourself in my grip" when Gunray questions his orders. But that wasn't the main point of my argument anyway, so it's not really worth arguing about.
3. Dooku never planned to rebuild the Jedi. The novelization for ROTS clearly states that he wanted to destroy the Jedi (it is stated on page 53 of the hardcover version that all Jedi who survived the war would become Sith) and the Republic so he could start a new Sith empire. He just didn't expect Sidious to betray him.
Cheers --DarthBinky 02:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's fairly obvious, from their treatment in the fiction as greedy, ruthless oligarchs, that a CIS victory would have been no better or worse than the Empire. I laughed at Lucas's attempts to say that he was trying to draw some sort of political allegory in ROTS, because if he really wanted to make a bold statement he shouldn't have made the CIS a group of shoddy, secondary villains and implicitly racist stereotypes. 80.5.144.82 22:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
