Talk:Concordia College and University

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Contents 1 Proposed merger with Concordia College & University 2 Accredited? 3 John I. Rocko 4 Globalization

[edit] Proposed merger with Concordia College & University

• Question Are these really the same entity? What is the evidence? --orlady 20:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• Response Comparing the two articles makes it appear they are describing the same entity. All the links out of both article ultimately appear to lead to the same website (http://www.concordia-college.net/). If these are one and the same, I think they should be merged. If this is actually two separate entities, we should do a better job distinguishing them. - O^O 20:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree they are the same entity. The Concordia College & University entry was created by DLmessenger after it became evident s/he was losing an edit war on the Concordia College and University entry. The external Concordia website points to the (until recently) more positive of the two wiki entries. Bcostley 22:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge completed. I tried to bring everything "useful" over. - O^O 22:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. - Now their website just points to their own fake copy of Wikipedia that they set up at (http://en.frases.wiki.br/Concordia%5FCollege%5F%26%5FUniversity.htm). - O^O 16:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have posted a warning at User talk:DLmessenger about this POV fork, which is violation of Wikipedia policy. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And a redirect has been in place since 1 March, so that matter is, for the moment, closed. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accredited?

Before claiming that this "school," which borrows its name from a legitimate school, is accredited you must provide sources. I will address these claims[1].

1)Concordia College and University is a not accredited according to every single legitimate source.[2] It is referred to as a diploma mill just to name a few:[3][4][5][6][7][8]

2) A dog has a degree from this place.[9]

3)If you noticed in the article it does mention the dubious Liberia claim, which cannot be verified.[10] The "sources" has no information. You need a WP:RS to claim it is "accredited" in Liberia. We do not have one. The supposed reference does not make any claims or have any text.

4) The Indonesian "reference"[11], not only links to a deadlink of the "univeristy", but the translated text:

Ketapang was the house of Concordia College & University, international correspondence the school was known by National Education. The student from all over the bend in the planet to Concordia because of causing their life experience to be changed in the level of the university that was known on the basis of the position assessor. The position was possibly considered by Concordia in the method kind. Respectively the piece separately possibly was gotten, or the position possibly it was thought completely because of the presence of pieces was needed, or the process of receiving the holistic figure possibly was used and the evaluation that was made on the basis of the whole impression student’s promoted the work. Normally that juru estimated Concordia worked together to show mufakat the measurement in their aspirations to present the level of the university that was known to the mature student by being enough the work experience and the life.

Thus, not a word about accreditation. It doesn't appear on this listed of accredited Indonesian schools and our Education in Indonesia doesn't show link given in this article as the proper/reference for the Education Ministry (see reference section). Arbustoo 05:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Concordia College's accreditation can be found on their website, and in their Graduation Packages...You who defimate the character of a fine school ought to find something to do with your time. Really nobody cares what you negative opinions say. Rev. Levitt III —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.80.26.90 (talk • contribs).

The website's claims for accreditation are not a reliable source. Government agencies and newspapers are. There are no opinions in the article there are only facts. Lastly, I know of no "fine schools" that award degrees to dogs. Arbustoo 21:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you believe every news story you read? You have biased news: Left Wing & Right news, and they each add their own political twist with persuasion to their political agenda when they report a story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.80.26.90 (talk • contribs).

I believe these news articles. What reason do you have to not agree with them? Be specific. Arbustoo 01:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

68.80.26.90 - if you don't agree with Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources, then you should not be editing this article. Either comply with the rules here or don't participate at all. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John I. Rocko

If I understand correctly, degree was actually issued to the person that identified himself as John I. Rocko – not to the dog. Concordia may be a diploma mill but it is possible to enroll to a fully accredited university using a false identity. According to the 1930 United States Federal Census a person called John Rocko was a resident of Los Angeles in 1930.--Jordan 777 00:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

According to my understanding the problem not that the dog enrolled, but that it had done enough work to graduate. I can not, however, think of any accredited universities that even would allow someone to enroll unless they produced a high school diploma or GED without meeting them in person and testing them. I guess the other explanation could be someone faked the dog's credentials and did the work for it. I guess we may find out if they dog ends up in court.------Watercleanerperson 01:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Globalization

IMO entire story about Concordia may help us better understand challenges of education system at the time of globalization. Accreditations that Concordia received from Indonesia and Liberia are probably authentic. I assume that the criteria for achieving such accreditation were the same as Concordia’s criteria for issuing degrees: money and “life experience”. However, the only legal reason that allows us not to recognize those degrees is that Concordia doesn’t have a campus or head office in those countries. (Concordia is incorporated in Dominica.) Question: what would happen if somebody register such kind of “university” and become accredited in the same country? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jordan 777 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC).