Portal talk:Constructed languages
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The Voynich Manuscript
Which heading in the portal should an undeciphered document which may possibly be written in a conlang be mentioned under?
--PeteBleackley 14:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm, good question. It's a difficult case, that doesn't really fit anywhere. Personally, I hesitate between the "see also" part of the "artistic and fictional languages" section, and the "miscellaneous" section. I'll leave it up to you. --IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 15:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
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- There are some stealthlangs listed as "Conlangs created for special purposes". Maybe a "see also" in that section would be the best place?
PeteBleackley 16:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Featured language
I don't know how the system for that works but I would like to see Ithkuil featured. Now that is one crazy language. Mithridates 17:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
- Why not? My own original idea (see Jon Moore's talk page) was that we follow a pattern like this: auxlang/engelang, artlang/fictlang, auxlang/engelang, artlang/fictlang. Etcetera. That way, we can go through all the conlangs we have, provided that the article in question is substantial enough. In November we had Ido, now we have Quenya, so IMO Ithkuil (a logical language) could certainly be an option for January. ----IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 23:41, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Maybe we could follow a nomination procedure? Either way, I don't see why not. Jon 18:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Featured language II
Based on a recommendation in the Featured Portal discussion, I have reorganised this section a bit. Instead of changing the "Featured Portal" manually, the page will link automatically to the featured article of the current month and the current year. If we create the article Portal:Constructed languages/Featured article/February 2006, that's all that needs to be done. When the time comes, the portal will automatically link to it.
Here are some thoughts about features languages that I'd like to share. Which languages would qualify for becoming a featured language? I think we all agree that Ido and Quenya did great, but we need to move on.
- First of all, I think the language should have a somewhat higher degree of notability than the average conlang. That does of course not mean that we should restrict ourselves to Esperanto, Ido and Klingon, mind.
- The article itself should have a high standard of quality, and no be too short. It doesn't look good if the "read more" link produces nothing else than some external links.
- The beginning of the article should somehow fit in the "featured article" box. It may sound trivial, but when I was doing Ithkuil, I noticed that it was actually a little too short for the box.
- It would be nice, but not imperative, if the article contained a picture.
Based on this, I think the following languages score well on all four points: Ido, Lingua Franca Nova, Slovio, Solresol, Blissymbols, Lojban, Klingon, Lingua Ignota, Quenya, Toki Pona, Zaum, and Signuno. Possibly also Baronh. Other languages that do not currently contain pictures, but for which it would be easy to add them, are: Folkspraak and Khuzdul.
No picture, but still suitable, are IMO: Afrihili, Basic English, Europanto, Occidental language, Latino Sine Flexione, Novial, Characteristica Universalis, Láadan, Loglan, Ro, Black Speech, Brithenig, Newspeak, Sindarin, and Talossan.
Now, I'm not saying that we need to plan everything a year in advance. But since the subject came up in the discussion about this portal becoming a featured one, I thought there would be no harm in talking a bit about this. And we could already prepare the articles for, say, February and March. If we follow the scheme I proposed earlier, February should have an auxlang. Lingua Franca Nova perhaps? Anyway, for March I nominate Klingon.
Thoughts? --IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 14:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- I think we should probably begin a wikiproject for conlangs, simply because there seems to be sufficient interest, and also at the suggestion of the featured portal suggestions, although I do not think this should be relevant to its pass or failure. Having a wikiproject would help us to coordinate the editing of conlang-related articles to featured status (so they may appear on the Main Page, and also to create more quality ones for the Portal, as well as generally improve Wikipedia). If no one objects, I can begin one. JonMoore 17:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Sure. Count me in!
- If you want to invite other people too, here are some suggestions: (in alphabetical order) User:Almafeta, User:Chlewey, User:DenisMoskowitz, User:Jeffrey Henning, User:Jim Henry, User:Kaleissin, User:Pablo-flores, User:PeteBleackley + of course the people who are on the list of those who maintain the portal. You might also peek in the Category:User conlang.
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- Okay, I've renamed all "Featured article" stuff "Language of the month", and submitted the new redirects for deletion.
- For the rest, I'm still not convinced that it's really necessary to refresh the DYK all the time. But I guess there's no harm in a rotating system either. In that case, I suggest we start with creating a whole list of possible DYKs (preferable on its talk page) and apply the same rotating system (but only using "current month", and not "current year" this time). --IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 18:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Good idea. We can simply rotate the DYKs on a monthly basis. We could continually edit the DYK if we find better items, retiring some items, if you want.
- I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Constructed languages. Still a little rough, but we can get it going. Feel free to edit it. JonMoore 18:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Excellent! I'm a little short of time right now, but I'll look into that tomorrow. As for the DYKs: I have a hunch that if we end up with ten to twenty DYKs, we can indeed build a nicely rotating system. And a little overlap certainly won't hurt! --IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 22:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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Images needed: invalid
Currently the "to-do" section asks for images of Klingon script, but there are plenty of such images in the Klingon article. DenisMoskowitz 18:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, you're right. I'll remove that. —IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 18:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
wikinews link
broken. in fact there are no articles to my knowladge about constructed languages. Bawolff 01:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Shavian
The Shavian alphabet and Quickscript (along with their creators) should be mentioned in Articles under Constructed writing systems for natural languages, shouldn't they? Michael%Sappir 00:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Kotava
I don't see the Kotava language in your lists and pages of your portal about constructed languages. Don't you know it ?
- The portal lists only languages that actually have articles about them, or should have articles about them. It is not intended to be a full list of all existing conlangs. There was an article about Kotava for a while, but it has been deleted (see here) and subsequently removed from the lists. —IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 11:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Lingua Franca Nova Wikipedia
Just thought I'd let people know well ahead of time that Lingua Franca Nova will probably be applying for a Wikipedia sometime this year. I've seen a number of applications get shot down and other Wikipedias that have been accepted go quiet for long periods of time, so back in December we decided to switch the existing wiki over to MediaWiki and use that to make Wikipedia-related content well ahead of time to show at the time of application.
The wiki is located here and has 218 articles at present, though a number of them are not Wikipedia-type content but rather course materials, some translated works, etc. There's also the list of articles each Wikipedia should have here, and it's my opinion and that of others that we should have all these articles with a minumum of ten sentences each before making the application, so there's going to be a lot of preparation before actually applying.
Anybody who would like to help out is welcome to register at the wiki, create or improve articles on lfn in a language they know, or keep an eye on things for when the application is actually made. Maybe in the summer or early autumn, hard to say. Mithridates 12:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Conlangs on wikipedia?
How come there are almost only auxlangs that are featured and wanted on wikipedia? Aszev 19:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- The "wanted" list was imported straight from the German wikipedia, which traditionally has been pretty biased towards auxlangs. I've tried to evoke some discussion about this list in the corresponding wikiproject, but no response yet. Indeed I believe that some conlangs should not be on that list, although I also believe that most of them should (there appears to be consensus about the inclusion of "historic conlangs", i.e. created before 1950). Of course, if you can think of a significant artlang that is not yet represented but should, feel free to add it to the list!
- As for "featured", I'm not sure what you're hinting at. At present, we have slightly more articles about artlangs than about auxlangs. The current Language Of The Month is Brithenig, not exactly an auxlang. So what do you mean?
- P.S. Why did you blank out your pages about Cervenian on one of those other wikis? I like the looks of the language. Feel invited to create a profile for it on Langmaker.com! —IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 09:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
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- What I was referring to was that I saw a lot of articles about auxlangs that I've never even heard of (and I have heard of quite many), and they seem to be allowed to be there. Then I look around for articles about artlangs that I have heard of and that I consider quite well-known within the conlanger community, and sometimes outside as well. My reaction is just, that it seems like that they are allowed to be there, but if someone will put up an article about an artlang, even if it is a known one, then other users will call it self-promotion and try to get it deleted. Also I saw some criteria list somewhere on wikipedia about what conlangs that were wanted and that list excluded almost all artlangs. My point was, that I just didn't find a balance between aux- and artlangs on wikipedia, but, of course I might have been mistaken. Aszev 00:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Suggestion for the Categories box
An update to MediaWiki has allowed this - <categorytree>Constructed languages</categorytree>, which produces:
Just suggesting an update to your portal, but I won't make such an update myself, since I'm not involved here. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 14:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you! —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 19:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Portal theme color?
Is the portal's color set in stone? The current one isn't very soothing, and gets irritating after a while... Cctoide 00:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
