Talk:Comic Guaranty LLC
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[edit] Criticism
Some of the criticisms section seems reasonable, but the article is written partly in the second person and the length of the section suggests serious bias on the part of the author. More balance would be helpful. D-Clancy 04:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- I originally created the page and tried to keep up with the updates, making sure that criticisms were somewhat ordered and reasonably stated (as many of these criticisms do have some foundation). I tried to clear up some of the things I knew to be incorrectly stated but there have been many anonymous updates and the page is starting to break down into an anti-CGC rant ripe with conspiracy theories and second and third hand reporting (not unlike a thread on the CGC message boards). Kevthemev 11:57, 21 January 2007
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- I agree. While criticism can be informative, in this article it currently takes about three times the space as the general information about the company. Much of this seems to come from message boards, which are not considered reliable sources as per WP:A. Trimming this section will help to balance out the article and bring it back to a neutral point of view. --GentlemanGhost
"I agree. While criticism can be informative, in this article it currently takes about three times the space as the general information about the company."
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- It's not criticsims - it's the truth! Why does truth have to be criticsim? It's general information, not criticisms. And if it's so bad, why don't you write the section that would balance it out? You can't complain about it if you don't personally do something about it.
"Much of this seems to come from message boards, which are not considered reliable sources as per WP:A."
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- Even when the president of the company, Steve Borock, only posts important information ON their chatboards? That's part of the whole point: CGC makes many of their most important announcements ONLY on their chatboards, not their website. If "sborock" posted it, it's official, period. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.30.34 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not a complaint so much as it is an observation. Looking on this article as an outsider, it seems to me to be strongly biased to one point of view. More effort seems to have been put into detailing specific complaints about the company than explaining what the company does. To be a useful Wikipedia article, it needs to be edited to represent a more neutral point of view. Otherwise, the content might be more appropriate for a personal website or blog.
Regarding the material which is sourced from the message boards, truth is not the issue. As stated in WP:A, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." For all I know, it could all be true, every word. Yet even if I knew firsthand its veracity, that would still not be enough to qualify it for inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia demands reliable sources, preferably secondary in nature. Unfortunately, it does not consider Internet bulletin boards to be reliable. --GentlemanGhost 13:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Internet partners and link
The reason edited this section was because of the way it was phrased using the second person. It sounded like advertising copy taken directly from the company's site (and indeed included a link to the website). "You can do this...", "You can do that...". This is not an encyclopedic tone. The way that it is phrased now (including the subsequent edit after mine) is much better. Also, I think linking to CGC's website in the lead section is unnecessary as there is already a link to it in the "External links" section. --GentlemanGhost 17:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Wizard Age"
Regarding the "Wizard Age" label controversy, this section was phrased very badly. Nothing that is worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia should need the preface "This is a true story." That it is "corroborated by Moondog" is hardly a ringing endorsement. Moreover, Internet bulletin boards are considered "self-publishing" and consequently are not considered to be reliable sources. I don't object to the content per se, but if it is to be included, it needs a better source and it needs to be rephrased. --GentlemanGhost 17:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
