Talk:Combat knife

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[edit] Need for killing descriptions?

I'm new to wikipedia, but do we really need a section in this article describing the most effective way of using a knife to kill someone? -142.157.201.20

Sure, why not? Using knives to kill is a common theme in much of fiction, and clarifying the reality of it is informative. I'd prefer it here rather than someone making a whole new article or something, which is really a waste. But, if you do see that, be sure to suggest a merge. Tyciol 17:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I love the killing section and I definitely think it should be part of Wikipedia. I have edited it myself. However, right now it contains about twice as much text as the main section. So either 1) trim it, or 2) expand the main section, or 3) move it. abelson 18:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. This method is more merciful and less violent than slashing/stabbing because this method is painless and quick so the victim will not suffer. As opposed to stab/slash. Get it? They show this stuff all the time on the A&E channel when they interview ex-Navy Seals, anyhow. Eddo36 20:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little uneasy myself about having what is practically a guide on the "best" ways to kill someone. It's pretty disgusting and distasteful actually. And some of it sounds like original research (the kidney thing, for example) and either needs to be referenced or it will be removed. --Mad Max 22:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I would have absolutely no problem with the "technique" section except for the fact that it seems so unbelievable. I suppose if someone wants to kill with a knife he/she will find out how to do it, so there is little use in censoring. However, as is previously stated, these ideas have no references and are therefore pointless. It sounds more like a twisted 16 year-old played a game of Splinter Cell and then wrote this. I think the whole section should come down unless confirmed by a soldier, a doctor, or another serious authority on the matter. Until then, is sounds just like a sick fantasy. -ZEPhead

They are combat knives, they are meant to kill. I think the section makes perfect sense. HighInBC 20:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

We can argue all day over ethics and whether the inclusion of a guide on murdering other humans makes any sense for an encyclopedia. However, Wikipedia is not a place for unreferenced writing. We're violating several related policies here, no original research, and verifiability. Also, even though we're not censored, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and I'm sure this is one of those cases. If anyone reverts my edit without first referencing these statements, I'll bring this case to the committee. --Mad Max 05:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the section should be put back once proper citations on combat knife methods. Surely somebody must have a training manual of sorts? HighInBC 13:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually it can probably never be readded since it violates an official policy -- Wikipedia is not an instruction manual or "how-to" guide. I've noticed someone has added a similar section again...at least this time it is referenced. --Mad Max 14:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the redundancy of having two kidneys eliminate the effectiveness of one of them being attacked and disabled?147.144.1.251 22:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe the point is not actually to disable the kidneys, but to cause massive internal (and, of course, external) bleeding. It should be noted that much of this information--and more--is readily available to the public in the form of military field manuals. The debate seems to be operating on the idea that if this unpleasant information is kept out of Wikipedia, then nobody will be able to find out about it and therefore no ill will result of it. That would be great if it were true, but I think it's a little fatuous. That said, I think it reads strangely to have the material in a knife article. I think it belongs in Wikipedia, but in an article on knife technique or knife fighting instead. 128.123.86.239 19:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

US Marines practicing with knives attached to their guns.

I found this US Marine image and caption, it should be PD as it was taken by the US government. Looks good for the article, please let me know what you think. HighInBC 20:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I am removing the bit about the large Japanese switchblade because: A) I'm an expert on knives of all sorts, and I have never seen a switch that large, and B) It's unsourced. Also, it's gay and retarded. --68.56.134.117 23:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I have added information on the use of the combat knife and included a cite for the source of that information.