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Date of review: 15 November 2006

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[edit] Link Broken

The link called [4] (I think; Jeff Bennettit's at the end of the paragraph about X&Y awards) is broken, as VH1 have updated their site. I have tried to find this article and fix the link, but as yet I can't. Any chances of help? Φ 15:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ColdPlay Userbox

As part of Wikiproject Userbox, I have added Template: User ColdPlay to the bands area. Feel free to use. Tim Quievryn

[edit] Origins of the Coldplay name

The second post on this page of the official Keane forums by ChrisFlynn: here and this post by Tim Rice-Oxley: here seem to show that the Coldplay name was not taken from Rice-Oxley and instead from Tim Crompton of Bettina Motive. That part of the article needs to be changed. Unless anyone can prove me wrong? --BM20950 17:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, Rolling Stone says that the name comes from a collection of poems by Philip Horky. Apterygial 09:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rush of Blood

Every song on the rush of blood album is incredibly sharp! does anyone know if there is a reason for this cause they do use a real piano in their recordings. --58.162.103.251 06:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

Trouble should really be linked straight to the article. Meanwhile I have fixed a double redirect. BlueValour 18:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't redir to a disambig page, when it can be redir to the actual article. thanks. --Madchester 18:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent overhaul, removal of images

Could we have some discussion before making such drastic changes to the article? I just find it bizzare that images have been removed outright, when similar articles for Radiohead and Oasis have retained their photos and posters. --Madchester 21:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I readded the old Coldplay image as no other fair use image could accurately depict the members.71.252.157.36 23:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To make myself clear

Probably, you don't mind, but Christ Martin looks like a hairy monkey with that hair and beard. Also it's not coloured, it is orange and it's not so good. Please, can't we find another pic of Coldplay? Martin is good looking guy, but with hair and beard - he's not Thom Yorke, whom the lazy eye makes more charming. Just some good pic with shaved Martin.

About the posters, issues. Nor, Oasis, nor Radiohead pages have posters. Oasis has a photo of every line-up of the band. The missing is the last, as Starkey is not yet confirmed as an official bandmember. Radiohead has one photo of the band and some bandmember photos, not poster photos, as they have a consistent ant tight line-up.

Why I do not endorse these posters and so much photos around? Because, Coldplay is a little more than a hald-decade around. Oasis and Radiohead are on the music scene for much of the 90s. Their respective histories are longer. Nor disrespect for Coldplay and their fans, but Coldplay are younger band and while they are around for about 6-7 years, both Radiohead and Oasis likewise have been around for twice longer about 13-14 years.

Therefore, I consider the amount of posters on the page, meaningless. Come on, guys, the band is 6-year old on the music scene, why so much posters? Nor, Radiohead, nor Oasis have these posters. Try to be reasonable.

Put one good photo of the band, put a couple of Buckland and Martin and that's it. These posters about the "representation" of the band of their career aren't little more than hilarious.

Regards Painbearer 22:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

How did I miss this for two months. For the ones having seen this, this guy is only complaining about band photos on their articles. I kept on fighting with him on a revert war on Keane for two months until he gave up. Coldplay are highly superior than Oasis and Radiohead. The age does not mean nothing in a band's quality. And Painbearer, I¿m not telling you how do you look on your photo. It would be a personal attack...--Fluence 00:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What???

The album was banned in China after the Chinese government took the lyrics to "Spies" too seriously.

Seriously, people, is there a source on this? I find it kind of insanely unlikely and I don't know why somebody put it there - some shocking joke? I'll remove it, and if a source can be found you can put it back.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sebrat (talk • contribs).

The album wasn't banned, but the track 'Spies' was removed (I think the official line was "due to political sensitivity"). It was answered in the Q&A on the band's official site a few years ago. I'll have a look for a decent source on it.

(Incidentally, please remember to sign your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thanks!) Matt Eason 15:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer/source for this one. This news posting on an old version of the official site says the album's release was blocked by the Chinese government. This listing for the album on joyo.com (Amazon-owned online store in China) has 'Careful Where You Stand' in place of 'Spies' (track 3), so it may be the case that it was blocked originally but then allowed to be released with 'Spies' removed. Still can't find an authoritative source to back that claim up though. Matt Eason 16:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA failure on Nov. 15, 2006

I'm sorry to have to fail this article, but it is not yet up to the quality of the average (or even lower-end) good articles. Follows are the problems I have found, according to the guidelines laid out at What is a good article?:

Criterion 1(a)- compelling prose: There are many problems in relation to tone, and some of them are also NPOV (violating Criterion 4, but I'm lumping this issue into Crit. 1). To wit: "Coldplay are one of very few current British music acts..." (from the lead); "Coldplay was performing small club gigs for local Camden promoters and the delight of their budding fanbase." (from "Formation"); "Martin kicked Champion out of the band but later pleaded with him to return and due to his guilt, Martin (a self-proclaimed non-drinker and non-smoker) went on a drinking binge" (also from "Formation") is a run-on sentence and also unsourced; "June 2000 was a pivotal moment in Coldplay's history. The band embarked on their first headlining tour, which included a triumphant return to Glastonbury." (from "Parachutes"); "In May, Coldplay teased fans with a new song"..." (from "X&Y"); etc. This is such a recurring problem that I won't even go through all of its instances.

Criterion 2- verifiability: Many of the statements- and, in fact, many paragraphs- are completely unverified. The number of citations [including references that are external jumps instead of appropriate citations- failing WIAGA criterion 2(b)] for an article of this length is, in my view, too low for a Good Article. After the lead and first paragraph of the next section, there is only one reference (in addition to half a dozen external jumps) in the entire article; this is unacceptable for a GA. Even facts such as (these are general examples) "this album debuted at #1 on the charts" or "this single was not as well-received" need citations, and statements such as (this is a specific example) "at one point Martin had considered forming an *NSYNC-inspired boy band called Pectoralz" are completely unbelieveable without a reference.

Criterion 6- images: As brought up in this article's Featured Article candidacy, multiple images have rationales that don't make sense. The image in the infobox is fair use, but it should not be used, as I'm quite sure that there is a free use alternative. The image of Martin from the "Fix You" video states it's free use under Creative Commons, but it comes from a TV network's web site, and I doubt that this image is free to use (please, if I am wrong, feel free to correct me in this error).

Best of luck, and feel free to resubmit the article to WP:GAC when these problems are fixed. -- Kicking222 23:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference bewteen in-line citations and references. If you examine the list of references cited, you will find most of the information in the article can be verified. For example the "unbelievable" *NSYNC reference of the band Source, which has been listed within the References section for almost 2 years now. --Madchester 08:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Then, very simply, why not just put in an inline citation? -- Kicking222 14:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The source is referenced multiple times and adding citations to each detail is far too excessive. The reference section is used to cover more comprehensive resources. Likewise, a book has been used as a secondary source in the article, but it's not practical to provide an inline citation to each reference from that source. --Madchester 18:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

So, in other words, you expect the average person who questions the validity of a statement such as "Chris Martin wanted to do a boy band" to simply say, "Oh, well, I guess that's probably in one of those books." That's not what makes a GA or FA. Look at any GA or FA on a band (or, really, anything) and see if that's how it's done. -- Kicking222 22:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Songs in advertisements

I could have sworn I heard....a Coldplay song (they all sound the same, I think it was Speed Of Sound) on an insurance company advert here in the UK. Also is it really important enough to be mentioned in the introduction? Its inclusion smells to me like a overzealous fan wanting to shout about the supposed integrity of their favorite band. Tom Waits, who is - for some reason - far less popular than Coldplay, doesnt have anything about his notorious and extensive entanglements with the ad industry in his introduction. And its not like there aren't plenty of other bands that refuse to sell their songs either..... 81.157.114.169 16:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Box Layout

I hate this layout of the box with the band members, escpecialy the flags. i like the layout as it was 18:56, 30 October 2006 much and much better anybody agree?

--Vincspenc 16:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree.--Fluence 00:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with the box as it currently stands. The flag is fine (not particularly necessary, but acceptable), and I like that the "labels" section no longer takes up so many lines. -- Kicking222 22:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You may not like the infobox, but that's the way it's going to stay. {{Infobox band}} has been superseded by {{Infobox musical artist}} and all instances of the {{Infobox band}} are to be replaced. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians. Do not change it back to the old box. - kollision 02:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concert footage airing

In case there are any misconceptions, the concert slated as being a DVD release earlier in the year has been shown on BOTH SPANISH AND CANADIAN TELEVISION. Somebody is continually deleting my alterations even though it WAS DEFINITELY shown on Spanish television, according to the official website.

[edit] Picture? How about one with all 4 members in it?

What's with the picture of 4 different Chris Martins? I found it kind of bizarre and unrepresentative. How about a picture with all 4 members in it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.194.125.169 (talk) 08:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

It does have all 4 members in it. Chris is singing, Jonny is playing electric guitar, Guy is playing acoustic guitar and Will is playing piano. Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 11:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beautiful World?

That song isn't on any record —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.95.55.191 (talk) 04:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

It's Don't Panic (first track on Parachutes), but I can't see it being referred to as "Beautiful World" anywhere in this article. Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 10:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe he was refering to the lyrics? 'we live in a beatiful world, ...' Yea the song's called Don't Panic. But what about the song played in Live 2003; 'See you Soon'. I can't figure on which album it would be other than that one paat 23:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

See You Soon is on The Blue Room EP, as well as the promotional "Acoustic" EP. Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 23:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toronto concert?

sorry if this is repetitive, but I saw on their site about a toronto concert filming that would be aired later on, and maybe available on DVD (?) Any help with understanding what's happeneing would be good. Sorry if this is repeating the concret footage airing topic up there paat 23:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Singles Box Set?

All of Coldplay's 14 singles will be released as a box set called "The Singles 1999-2006" on March 26... I was wondering if any of you out there would like to add such information to the page, and possibly even put it under next studio release and describe it kind of as a gap release between X&Y and their future fourth release. Jgrizzy89 20:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Direction?

I would like to see this article get the Good Article status it missed back in November, and would like to help personally. Is there anyone willing to make a list of what changes are needed and any other formatting? I'm still relatively new to editing Wikipedia on a larger scale than grammar nitpicks and rving vandalism, so I don't think I'm the best candidate for the job. StvnLunsford 02:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not harm this article

Who is the smart alex who changed "Parachutes" to "FAGGOTS" and whatnot? You are only making a fool of yourself and it is not funny, if you think it is. Really, get the shit out of this article. 219.75.59.153 09:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I love how a recent vandalism didn't even get the right band. Fools indeed. StvnLunsford 20:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

There's no critic of the band, surely some of the negative press and the allergations of being boring should also be mentioned in order for it to be balanced article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SteveyWevey (talk • contribs).

If you can source it then yeah, maybe. However, vandalising the article as you just did is counter-productive and extremely unhelpful. Please don't do it. — Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 12:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comprise

"Comprise" means consist of, encompass, be composed of, contain, etc. The whole comprises the parts (see here). The group therefore comprises Chris Martin et al. It isn't "comprised of" its members. Apologies, but I find myself reverting on this rather a lot. Maybe I was a little off the mark in my latest edit by saying that there is no such expression: it's such a common error that some dictionaries now acknowledge it anyway, but I found this quote from Merriam-Webster: "You should be aware, however, that if you use ['comprised of'] you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up." Chris 42 19:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is / Are Dispute

Can we just settle the dispute between whether or not "Coldplay is" / "Coldplay are" will be used at the beginning of the article. I'm not a grammar expert, but the constant reverts are getting annoying. Can someone just make a decision and have the grammatical proof to justify it?--Comtraya 01:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I found this from English collective nouns: "In British English, it is generally accepted that collective nouns can take either singular or plural verb forms depending on the context and the metonymic shift that it implies. For example, "the team is in the dressing room" (formal agreement) refers to the team as an ensemble, whilst "the team are fighting among themselves" (notional agreement) refers to the team as individuals." I believe that since the article heading refers to the group as an ensemble, the former usage would be correct. Chris 42 11:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timbaland/Swizz Beatz

Why is it that when I mention this part to the article, it gets deleted. I GAVE SOURCES. The Swizz Beatz colloboration comes from Billboard.com and Timbaland said himself that he was working with that band from a GQ magazine article. The mention of Brian Eno was added to the article before the band reluctantly confirmed it. So whats the deal? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.134.186.38 (talk) 05:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

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