Talk:Cold Fire

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NOT A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT

I just submitted an extensive entry called "Cold Fire"

I am the original author, as is shown on the press release from which I adapted the entry.

Call me if you wish to verify. You will see my phone number listed on the contact page where the press release appeared.

Note that my username is the same as that in the email address for the main contact point for the web site.

Sterling D. Allan 435-283-6340 Ephraim, UT 84627 sterlingda@greaterthings.com

Dear Sterling,

Thank you for clarifying that. Please also see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, particularly the entries starting that Wikipedia is not "a vehicle for advertising." or "a vehicle for advocacy of any kind"

However, we welcome factual articles about significant commercial products, written from an NPOV perspective in an encyclopedia style. Note that by adding your material here, you grant others the rights to rewrite and redistribute your material as they see fit under the GFDL, or to delete your article from the encyclopedia if they feel that it is not appropriate for inclusion here.

Regards,

The Anome 14:18, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

How do I create a forward to this page from an alternate cap url: Cold_fire?

I would think that the back-end software would automatically permit cap / no-cap and redirect to same page. If not, could someone point me to where this is explained?

Thanks Sterlingda 19:31, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Missing information: what is it? How does it work? The fact that it undergoes an endothermic reaction in the presence of heat couldn't be the whole story, after all that's how water and CO2 put out fires as well. -- Tim Starling 07:28, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

Removed:
Cold Fire is a fire extinguisher product manufactured by Fire Freeze Worldwide, Inc.
Cold Fire has been on the market since 1991 and is being used in at least 123 different countries.
I cannot find anything, except your press release, Sterling, which says that this product is sold in at least 123 different countries. See this Google search for example. I highly doubt the veracity of this claim anyhow, since 123 countries is over half the countries in the world, and most small island countries have no immediate need for a firefighting service. - Mark Ryan 08:04, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Marketing vs. Mere Description

I followed this link and read the press release for the "cold fire" product. I guess you're an employee of the company that makes it.

We try to avoid conflicts of interest around here, and mostly we've done pretty well. Contributors who realize that they represent an organization or advocate a particular point of view (POV), do well here when they adopt a consciously humble attitude.

I'm going to edit the Cold Fire article a bit today, perhaps toning down some of its claims or trimming a lot of text if it looks like a "press release in disguise". What I'll focus on is the novel aspects of the endothermic reaction and its apparently outstanding success as a fire extinguishing agent that civilians can use. But I'll also examine why, after ten years, it hasn't caught on if it's "as good as claimed".

I'd like to do this in a cooperative fashion, so if you want to discuss it before I start, I'm listening... ;-) --Uncle Ed 14:24, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Additional sources for this article.

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These are some hits from a google scholar search. Maybe someone can use these to improve this article and save it from the AFD. Maybe not. Anyway, here they are.

  • [1] FIRE SUPPRESSING AGENT: A HALON ALTERNATIVE "The purpose of this paper is to introduce and illustrate the unique firefighting and life-saving characteristics of Cold Fire, and to outline why Cold Fire should be evaluated further, as a safe and effective “solution” to halon in both total-flooding and streaming applications."
  • [2] discussing the use of enzymes in various products,including this one. Discusses Cold Fire specifically on page 3, 3rd paragraph.
  • [3] somewhere on this site is some information about Cold Fire... bonus points to whoever can actually LOCATE it though.
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