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Contents 1 POV check 2 Party 3 Seventh oldest university in Europe? 4 Population 5 Freakish heat flash

[edit] POV check

this guy elapsed doesnt know the basics of wikipedia and constantly puts is oppinion on wikipedia articles. There should be an avaliation on his additions to wikipedia as he adds biased info and often very unreliable info to wikipedia. Now he says that a much smaller students union of coimbra is the biggest in Portugal. -Pedro 4 July 2005 15:14 (UTC) More, he added pictures to wikipedia without licence and some are very possibly copyrighted. Where are the admins? --Pedro 4 July 2005 15:17 (UTC)

The following assertions should also be revised: "With a dense urban grid the city of Coimbra is famous for its monuments, churches, libraries, numerous parks, gardens, nightlife, shopping facilities".

• "Libraries" - It is famous for the "Joanina" library. The "Central" library is hardly known, nationally, and the Municipal library is just your regular local library.

• "Numerous parks" - Are actually two. Which are contiguous/continuous and, thus, rather count as one.

• "Numerous gardens" - Also just two.

• "Nightlife" - While known to the local inhabitants, Coimbra is hardly famous for it; in fact, locals go out of their way to party elsewhere (eg, in Figueira da Foz).

• "Shopping Facilities" - One mall, recent. One mall about to open. Until last year, people had to go to Aveiro, Porto or Lisbon to even see a mall. Coimbra is definitely not famous for its shopping.

MIP 17:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

MIP probably does not know Coimbra and is wrong in some aspects: 1. Libraries - "Joanina" is a master piece and arguably the most beautiful library in Portugal. The University departments have valuable libraries that are regularly visited by scholars from all the country. The University's Central Library and Arquive is huge and one of the few libraries in Portugal that receive a copy of all the books edited in the country, also has documents of high historical value.

2. Gardens and Parks - Coimbra has some of the more important gardens in Portugal: Parque Manuel de Braga/Parque verde do Mondego, that will be one of the biggests urban parks in Portugal when finished; Choupal - urban forest near the river; Vale de Canas; Jardim da Sereia - an historical master piece; Botanical Garden - the most impressive botanical garden in Portugal; several other small ones.

3. Nightlife - It is a very lively nightlife because of the students with Latada Queima das fitas being two of the biggest parties in Portugal. People go to Figueira when they are on Holidays there.

4. Shopping - Coimbra is, no doubt, a terciary city. The old traditional shopping area is only smaller than Lisboa and Porto ones. Coimbra also has 3 big shopping malls, including the two biggests of Central Portugal (Aveiro, Viseu, Guarda, Coimbra, Castelo Branco, Leiria, Santarem) Aquilino, 22/7/2006

[edit] Party

The biggest student party in Portugal is in Porto. How can Coimbra be in Europe? -Pedro 01:57, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I suppose the issue here is what is meant by "union of university students" in the text. The "Associação Académica de Coimbra" is an association with aproximately 30 000 members (since, by default, every student is a member).

In Porto - at least according to the University of Porto's website - there is no pan-association of students; there are small thematic associations by Faculdade, which then interact under the banner of a Federation of Associations ("Federação Académica do Porto").

The point of contention seems to be whether a Federation of Associations can be compared to a pure Association. People from Porto will say it can, people from Coimbra will say it can't. In the end, the only fact is that both are "big", and both are "important". -- MIP 18:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the word "party" means "festival" in that context. I am not able do discuss student festivals dimensions, I just think that editors should refrain from making that kind of considerations, mainly, due to lack of references. Afonso Silva 18:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Especially seeing as the concept itself is subjective. While some would interpret the quantification of the "size" of the "party" as reflecting on the size of the organizing body (as I did), others will take it to refer to the number of attendees, or the ammount of money spent, or the number of days it lasts, or even the (subjective) importance of participating bands or musical acts.

Actually, giving it some more thought, I suppose the statement might be refering to the parade itself, and not to the festival in general. In which case, it might actually be simple to quantify (by looking into the average number of floaters paraded each year) and, thus, to clarify the meaning of "biggest party". -- MIP 18:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh oldest university in Europe?

Can someone provide some evidence the claim that the University of Coimbra is the seventh oldest in Europe.

The article currently states:

The university founded in 1290 is the seventh oldest in Europe...

and then lists

1. University of Bologna
2. University of Oxford
3. University of Paris
4. University of Palencia
5. University of Salamanca
6. University of Cambridge

However, the University of Coimbra appears at around tenth in the List of oldest universities in continuous operation (after a couple of non-European universities):

1. University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy, founded 1088
2. University of Oxford, Oxford, England, founded about 1096
3. University of Paris, Paris, France, founded 1150 (now split between several autonomous universities)
4. University of Modena, Modena, Italy, founded 1175
5. University of Cambridge, Cambridge, England, founded about 1209
6. Salamanca University, Salamanca, Spain, founded 1218
7. University of Padua, Padua, Italy, founded in 1222
8. University of Naples, Naples, Italy, founded 1224
9. University of Siena, Siena, Italy, founded 1240
10. University of Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal, founded in 1290 in Lisbon

I amended the statement to say:

The university founded in 1290 is one of the oldest in Europe; ...

which is clearly correct, but this was reverted. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:10, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

• Aloan, you look like an inocent man. ;) Cant you see that that lists are some kind of a war between wikipedians? this is another example: List_of_countries_by_date_of_nationhood these lists are useless to use as a reference.

1. University of Bologna,
2. University of Oxford,
3. University of Paris,
4. University of Palencia,
5. University of Salamanca
6. University of Cambridge

so you should investigate the ones of Modena, Padua(this is because it wasnt recognized has i read it in the university's website), Naples, Siena. (where's Palencia?) I'm surprized that in that list they dont clame an university in 500BC. Honestly, I'm chocked. I was expecting that.About the non-European ones, No comment. eheh. I think you should use other references than a wikipedia list. I do agree with you that in here can have biased info (the one of the biggest student party in Portugal) is one. Porto's much bigger. I fact, even if Porto was cutted in half, i belive it would continue to be bigger than Coimbra. -Pedro 21:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, it would be helpful to find out who claims the university is the seventh oldest in Europe - is there any evidence to justifiy the article's strong assertion. For example, does the University claim that itself? Do its students? Anyone? In any event, it is clearly one of the oldest, so that factual, NPOV statement could be reinstated. I just didn't want to revert without discussing the point. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

That's why I reverted, they much be teached that way in the university! But I admit you are correct. Although using that List as a reference is not a good thing to do. -Pedro 22:59, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but in the absence of any evidence that it is the seventh oldest, surely we have to say one of the oldest? Saying "they must be taught that way in the university" is hardly definitive! -- ALoan (Talk) 10:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

ok. But more reliable that a wikipedia list ;) -Pedro 11:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Population

The municipal area of Coimbra is much bigger than the city and includes many independent towns and villages. The real population of the city proper is less than 100,000. Also, there is no metropolitan area of Coimbra.

[edit] Freakish heat flash

I removed the following because it has not been verified and may not be reliable. Reliable sources needed! Page Up 01:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• On July 6, 1949, a freakish heat flash temporarily raised the temperature to 70 ºC (158 ºF). Since this temperature

lasted for two minutes. Therefore, it was not sustained (over an hour), and it was not officially recorded as the hottest recorded temperature on the Earth's surface. This title went to Al 'Aziziyah, Libya with 57.7 ºC (135.9 ºF).