Talk:Coffeemaker
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This articule contained the tautological "Coffeemakers are currently the most popular way of making coffee at home." I fixed this sentence, but it is symptomatic of a larger issue: this page shows signs of not knowing that it is an article on coffeemakers in general (as opposed to auto-drip coffeemakers in particular). Problematically, the article on coffee preparation has some claim to being a better article on various kinds of coffeemakers than this one. It seems to me there should be a clearer hierarchy: coffee preparation should link to a fuller article on coffeemakers, which should at least include the most thorough list on Wikipedia of various kinds of coffeemakers, and link to articles for all the coffeemakers that have been treated in separate articles. Perhaps a category for coffeemakers and brewing methods (the two categories overlap so much that they should be consolidated--few coffeemakers are used for two brewing methods!) is in order. Wareh 19:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- On further reflection, I think this article should be eliminated and incorporated into the Brewing section of coffee preparation. Wareh 19:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Anything in this article too specific for coffee preparation should go to drip brew. Wareh 19:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not sure
about your complaint. There was very little about drip-type coffeemakers in this article until you added the section. It was initially a stub that I added a lot of content to, so I imagine that there might be some awkward passages, but the content is substantially different to the coffee preparation page in my mind. What do you think about renaming the page History of coffee making or something like that, and adapting it accordingly? Richardjames444 20:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Just to clarify--I did not in any way add the section on drip coffeemakers. Any additions I made are fewer than 20 words. Wareh 02:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- my apologies. I checked the edit history and I'm not sure why I said you had added the drip section. It was part of the original article. Anyway, what do you think about a move/rename to clarify the content? Richardjames444 03:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- I can easily agree with your suggestion that stuffing all this into coffee preparation might be a mistake. On the other hand, the problem with this article is that it presents a very limited slice of the "history of coffeemakers" or whatever it would be called. Simply put, it's not anywhere near having encyclopedic scope on a topic as vast as the history of coffeemakers. Clearly someone framed this article who was interested in the ascendance of the auto-drip machine industry after earlier widespread use and marketing of primitive vacuum pots and that awful mid-20th-c. American workhorse, the percolator. So much is missing from this story, when it comes to trying to survey the variety of coffeemakers, coffee consumer habits throughout the world, etc., that the idea of breaking up its content and parceling it out elsewhere is still appealing to me. There is not currently an article on the vacuum brewing method, which for most people means today's Bodum Santos machine; the back-history of the vacuum pot presented here would make a wonderful introduction to a page on that brewing method. Basically, my proposal would be, parcel out the narrative given in this page to Vacuum coffee brewer, Coffee percolator, and Drip brew. I don't think there is much here that wouldn't fit nicely in those places. On each of these pages, a gesture and link could be made to the other parts of the story; for example, at the end of the vacuum history, say that it was eclipsed in popularity over the 20th c. by the percolator and the automatic drip brew machine. Finally, coffee preparation could continue in its present role as Wiki's master list of coffee brewing methods/machines. It should be enhanced to include links to all the existing articles (for example, it doesn't mention the Neapolitan flip coffee pot--whose presence on the linkless article list was what got me into this whole jumble of coffeemaker pages). Does this seem a better proposal? I'll go ahead and remove the merger suggestion from coffee preparation meanwhile, though I'll leave it here for now. Wareh 03:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- I started this page in response to a request for it. The "Coffee Maker" is a readily identifiable auto-drip-brew appliance in the modern kitchen used for coffee preparation. In my mind, as a stub, the article described a distinct lineage from early coffee preparation methods up to and including the introduction of what we now know as the Coffee Maker. Before Mr. Coffee, for example, I don't think there was an appliance known as a "coffee maker", just percolators and other manual appliances mentioned in the current article. This article has expanded a bit and now includes the history of making coffee in general, rather than just the lineage of the coffee maker. I claim ignorance of the exact nature of other methods of coffee preparation, but that's not what this article was trying to do originally. I leave it to others to decide what to do with this article, I just wanted to state what my original purpose was. Still 20:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- I can easily agree with your suggestion that stuffing all this into coffee preparation might be a mistake. On the other hand, the problem with this article is that it presents a very limited slice of the "history of coffeemakers" or whatever it would be called. Simply put, it's not anywhere near having encyclopedic scope on a topic as vast as the history of coffeemakers. Clearly someone framed this article who was interested in the ascendance of the auto-drip machine industry after earlier widespread use and marketing of primitive vacuum pots and that awful mid-20th-c. American workhorse, the percolator. So much is missing from this story, when it comes to trying to survey the variety of coffeemakers, coffee consumer habits throughout the world, etc., that the idea of breaking up its content and parceling it out elsewhere is still appealing to me. There is not currently an article on the vacuum brewing method, which for most people means today's Bodum Santos machine; the back-history of the vacuum pot presented here would make a wonderful introduction to a page on that brewing method. Basically, my proposal would be, parcel out the narrative given in this page to Vacuum coffee brewer, Coffee percolator, and Drip brew. I don't think there is much here that wouldn't fit nicely in those places. On each of these pages, a gesture and link could be made to the other parts of the story; for example, at the end of the vacuum history, say that it was eclipsed in popularity over the 20th c. by the percolator and the automatic drip brew machine. Finally, coffee preparation could continue in its present role as Wiki's master list of coffee brewing methods/machines. It should be enhanced to include links to all the existing articles (for example, it doesn't mention the Neapolitan flip coffee pot--whose presence on the linkless article list was what got me into this whole jumble of coffeemaker pages). Does this seem a better proposal? I'll go ahead and remove the merger suggestion from coffee preparation meanwhile, though I'll leave it here for now. Wareh 03:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- my apologies. I checked the edit history and I'm not sure why I said you had added the drip section. It was part of the original article. Anyway, what do you think about a move/rename to clarify the content? Richardjames444 03:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suggest merge -> Drip Brew
IMHO, Merging into Drip brew will be better than coffee preparation.
130.194.13.106 07:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I think that's a fine strategy. It would be a section on the history and manufacturing context of the rise of auto-drip. But the material here on the two other brew methods' history is too good to be lost; it should be parcelled out to the Vacuum coffee brewing and Percolator articles. What should be done at coffee preparation is to provide more careful links to all the Wiki articles on various methods/technologies. Wareh 14:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] hi
hi
