Talk:Codependence

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In some situations, knowing and understanding the concept of the "co-dependent" person may help unravel the complex forces that keep a person in an undesirable situation. The concept has been invented and has value in understanding family or group dynamics involved in educational as well as psychological situations.

Added Literature. This page will be moved to Codependence, according to the preferred psychiatric nomenclature (see same Literature) as well as that of Co-Dependents Anonymous. Dirk K. 13:03, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Moved now. Dirk K. 20:23, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 See discussion under Dependent Personality Disorder:

1 Equal time?
2 codependency as pop psychology
3 why is the dsm included as a reference?
4 12 step programs no good; comment on Scott Peck
5 Codependecy Literature

[edit] Equal time?

I'm very interested in the debate of (Codependency / 12-Step) vs. (Codependency Conspiracy / Fix yo self) as outlined by the article. Are there more resources for the latter? Could anyone chime in on current popular vs. growing methods of understanding codependence?

[edit] codependency as pop psychology

I clarified some of the article to correctly portray codependency as pop psychology and removed some of the 1st person POV entries Mr Christopher 20:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Mr Christopher, I think you have gone overboard with your changes, We need to discuss this some more, I think. I added POV tag. --FloNight ^talk 07:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

To be clear, this article is copy-pasted from a sketchy-seeming site called allabouttherapy.com, which seems to be pushing the readers to get therapy from some Melody person, so I would *seriously* doubt it neutrality

[edit] why is the dsm included as a reference?

It is unclear how the DSM-IV is related in any way to the term co-dependence. The current DSM-IV-TR does not list or use this word. Co-dependence is not based on scientific evidence, and as such not included in diagnostic resources.

Please use 24.177.122.186 03:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC) when making comments. This allows your statements to be signed. The DSM and indeed psychiatry as a general discipine does not and cannot use the scientific method. It instead relies on observation, and when medication is used, the altering of brain chemicals. We do not know in many cases why these medications work for some and not for others. What I am trying to say is that co-dependency is no less a condition than any other personality disorder listed in the DSM. Dependent Personality Disorder is however in the DSM, and it is an important overall reference for anyone trying to understand the categorization schema that psychiatrists and psychologists rely on.

24.177.122.186 03:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 12 step programs no good; comment on Scott Peck

The NY Times a few days ago (see [1]) reported a study by researchers, led by Marica Ferri of the Italian Agency for Public Health in Rome, which found little or no support for the efficacy of 12-step programs. A big promoter (if not the originator) of the "codependency" cachet was M. Scott Peck. In the early 1980's he published 2 books, "The Road Less Traveled" and "People of the Lie," which I had foisted on me by an acquaintance when I was hospitalized a few days. In one of these books Peck describes trying to play chess with his daughter (who was in late elementary school or middle school) and running past her bedtime. He reports wanting to win so much he kept her up very late and messed up her following school day. He felt so bad he went into weeks of depression and got extensive psychotherapy.

I submit that anyone who acts like that (who would not know to put a marker on the chess board as to whose turn it was, and shelve it till next day?) is a fool, and if he puts it in a book for public sale he is a worse fool. OK, codependent behaviors exist and are identifiable, but they should not become a preoccupation or a mantra for people with time on their hands.

I doubt this caused clinical depression. It may have brought other issues to light.

24.177.122.186 03:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)