Talk:Coat of arms of Hong Kong

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[edit] Rename the article?

Maybe I'm just pedantic, but I'm not really comfortable with calling HK's current emblem a coat of arms, since it's not actually an armorial bearing per se. I'm inclined to rename the article Emblem of Hong Kong or Regional Emblem of Hong Kong. That way, it'll encompass all of Hong Kong's emblems, past and present. It'll also be consistent with the names of other articles (eg. Flag of Hong Kong, Emblem of the People's Republic of China, and most other articles under Category: National Coats of Arms). Thoughts? - Hinto 23:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• Support. Hong Kong does not use Coats of Arms as [1], it is referred as Regional Embelm. Renaming the article will make the name more accurate and consistent. --Hurricane111 16:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• Was the colonial one called coat of arm? "Emblem of Hong Kong" would be a better name since this article talks about the colonial one, and strictly speaking Hong Kong before 1997 was a dependent territory, and earlier a crown colony, instead of a region. — Instantnood 16:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• (I moved to more consistent naming with others countries, has nothing to do with the suggested rename above.) maybe split? "Emblem of ..." _and_ "CoA of ..." Or use a neutral name. Is there a name for both? Category:National coats of arms allready has some "Emblem of ...". IMO this is not very correct. Could emblem comprise CoA? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 09:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
• How can the emblem really "replace" the coat of arms since it's an emblem and not a coat of arms? Is there any legislation or action removing the coat of arms? --Daniel C. Boyer 14:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
  • The emblem is used in place of the coat of arms since the transfer of sovereignty. They are basically serving the same purposes. — Instantnood 15:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
    • The lack of use of a coat of arms has no bearing whatsoever on its being the arms of Hong Kong. That the emblem is used in places where the arms were or would have been has no bearing on the question either. Coats of arms may not be used by any member of a family or entity for many centuries, even, but that does not impair the right to bear them. Barring a specific enactment abolishing the coat of arms as such, I'd argue they are still the arms of Hong Kong. --Daniel C. Boyer 17:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• Support. The Emblem is not the armorial bearings. It replaced the armorial bearings used before 1997. The best option is to have two linked articles - "Hong Kong Emblem" and "Hong Kong Armorial Bearings. Anyway "Coat of Arms" is both ugly and technically incorrect - Armorial Bearings (NOT Armorial Bearing) is correct; so ALL "Coats of Arms" should be altered! This is not pedantic - since the correct terms should always be used. Likewise a "Crest" is the thing on top of the helmet NOT the shield from the armorial bearings! Also an emblem can easily be replaced by Armorial Bearings, and visa versa - at the order of the ruling authority at the time! Skull 'n' Femurs 15:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)