User talk:CMummert/Archive4

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Contents 1 math rating issues 2 Sandbox 3 Math rating table 4 No longer unreferenced 5 hitchen's page 6 Admin? 7 WP:RFBOT 8 Maximal system 9 Thanks 10 RFA 11 Re : Request 12 Adminship 13 Congrats 14 Unexplained edits of an archive by an administrator 15 Vandalism project help needed 16 Appearance of WT:WPM 17 BRFA 18 Stats table 19 comment 20 Thanks 21 Snowbot 22 Request for minor edit to "Hippie" article 23 Juris Doctor/JD 24 request assistance... 25 Mexico 26 RE: response to question about Torrie Wilson

[edit] math rating issues

I wouldn't say I was an expert... the B+ class articles should be included in the B-class total. One could ensure this happens by having the {{maths rating}} template list B+'s in Category:B-Class mathematics articles (as well as Category:Bplus-Class mathematics articles), but that sort of defates the whole point of having the B+ rating. So, I think this is a bot issue, and Oleg is the person for that. Tompw (talk) 16:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sandbox

Sorry, I did not intend to vandalise the sandbox, I am a very experienced contributor and editor to Wikipedia, I've been here over a month. It was a little well; experiment with the sandbox, (and a joke) sorry if I have caused any disruption. Retiono Virginian 16:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Math rating table

Ah... didn't realise it would work that way. Anyway, glad you liked the changes - I'll make sure to run any others by you first. Tompw (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No longer unreferenced

Just wanted to let you know that I just added two references to the article on sparsely totient numbers. I have only been able to personally inspect the Baker & Harman reference. The Masser & Shiu paper is on an issue of Pacific J. Math that is missing from my local library's collection. Anton Mravcek 21:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

For the number articles (47, 666, 1729, etc.), PrimeFan had been adding some references to David Wells' Dictionary of Curious & Interesting Numbers. I'll see if I can come up with another sources. Anton Mravcek 23:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hitchen's page

Hi, you just undid a version on the Hitchen's page. I believe Armon's issue was BLP. Are you sure you want to put a long section containing possible BLP violations back onto an article? Elizmr 04:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin?

Hi CMummert. I have a question. Would you like to be an admin? You've been here for a year, and I have seen only good work from you. So, if you are interested in getting a few more buttons (they can be rather handy sometimes, especially the "delete" and "rollback" ones), I'd be more than happy to nominate you. You can reply here. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. I don't think that I'm ready to do that just yet; the WP:RFA process currently seems to favor editors who do lots of vandalism editing over people who would only occasionally need admin abilities. And like getting tenure, passing an RFA seems to require spending a long time before it hiding one's true opinions and making everyone happy, which I have not been doing. I will be applying for a bot account soon; that at least seems like a rational approval process, and will be much more useful for me. CMummert · talk 13:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh. :) I thought it was not that bad. The three people I nominated last year passed almost unanimously. Unless you think you made some serious blunder lately (meaning, you know, it was your fault and you could have done better), or something like that, I think you'll have pretty good chances of passing. Also, I think that it is precisely vandal-fighting only which people don't like, and your edit count, with a lot of contributions in a lot of namespaces would be something people would like. So perhaps we can give it a try, what do you think? You can reply here, so that we keep all conversation in one place. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I can't think of anything like that. If you would like to nominate me, I'll accept. Let me know what I need to do. CMummert · talk 18:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. :) I am travelling now, I'll come back to you in a couple of days. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, here we are, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/CMummert. You would need to

• Answer the questions (It is quite important that you take some time to give thoughtful answers, as people can pick at things sometimes. Perhaps you may want to look at other successful nominations, e.g., Lethe, Arthur Rubin, Fropuff, Paul August, etc.).
• Accept the nomination.
• Replace the "Scheduled to end" date with exactly one week from the acceptance time and transclude the nomination at WP:RfA in the appropriate place.

Good luck! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I put everything in place. Thanks again for nominating me. CMummert · talk 01:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFBOT

Your recent bot approvals request has been approved for trial. Please see the request page for details. -- RM 12:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maximal system

I believe that this is published work, but I don't have the citation (which means that maybe it should be removed for now). In the meantime, do what you will with the article. I confess that the "vanity reference" was inappropriate and was intended as a short-term practical joke on a friend (who is a theoretical physicist and a kind of "philosophical buddy"). I apologize for that, since I love Wikipedia and do not wish it any harm. I am not in the habit of doing those sorts of things and I will respect the medium by not doing it in the future. I hope you will forgive me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lottamiata (talk • contribs) 2007-03-15T20:47:50.

[edit] Thanks

That turned out to be a good learning experience. I will also remember to sign my comment this time. Thanks for the guidance. Lottamiata 01:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFA

Hello, I left a question for you at your RfA. Cheers, Johntex\^talk 01:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Request

Sure! Just drop any queries on my talkpage and I'll help you out. =) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hopefully this is fine? [1] - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Congratulations, you are now an administrator! If you haven't already, now is the time to look at the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 01:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Congratulations! I am sure Wikipedia will greatly benefit from your use of the tools. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for nominating me. I was not convinced that it was going to succeed, but you were right. CMummert · talk 02:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I did not expect as much opposition in connection with "lack of vandal-fighting skills" (so you were right, people pay attention to that). Adminship is becoming less and less of "no big deal", unfortunately. I was very pleased however at the amount of support and the very nice things people had to say. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I was flattered by the comments. One source of the opposition may have been that I was not explicit enough with my original answers, so that people thought I confuse AN3 with ANV. There was also the issue that I don't comment on many AFD debates. But very nice comments by several people seem to have held off any flood of oppose votes. CMummert · talk 04:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Pile on congratulations. Best of luck with the new gizmos. Pascal.Tesson 02:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Not that you need more congratulations, but I'll add mine anyway. One day when you have time, maybe you can explain to me about Merge/Delete, Merge and Delete, Merge or Delete, and the lunacy that results from using/misusing these terms.  :) VectorPosse 06:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I do believe you'll do very well, congratulations. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm pleased to see it is possible to voice opinions and still get approved for admin. My biggest concern with folks like you and Paul August moving into new roles is that it may reduce the special contributions you make in mathematics. But if we set aside the gradually accumulating status and power connotations, it's really a matter of who do we feel is responsible enough to use a few extra tools appropriately. To have to go through such a process to be able to edit a few templates, that seems a bit odd — especially since many (most?) admins have neither the technical expertise nor design judgment I would want to see. Ah well, everything is slightly strange in Wikipedia land. Hearty congratulations. --KSmrq^T 12:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unexplained edits of an archive by an administrator

To CMummert: In your last three edits to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive 23, you added extra semi-colons ";" to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Integer_factorization&;;;;;diff=112061265&oldid=111319331] which appears near the beginning of the section "Prime factorization of 1?". These edits serve no apparent purpose and could be construed as vandalism. Why are you doing this? JRSpriggs 07:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea how those semicolons are appearing; I click the edit button, paste in the material that I want to archive, type an edit summary, and hit save. I am going to archive another section this morning, and I will follow exactly that procedure and see what happens. CMummert · talk 11:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I made a test edit by adding one line to the bottom of the archive. As you can see from the diff, another semicolon was added [2]. I am going to post here on the village pump to see if someone can tell me what's going on. In the meantime, perhaps I should stop archiving that page. The section Silly pictures is suitable for archiving today. Thanks for pointing out this strange behavior - it's either a bug in my browser or a bug in Mediawiki. Fortunately, the link still appears to work with the extra semicolons in it. CMummert · talk 11:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

After more testing, I have determined it is a bug in Opera 9.10 apparently related to the fact that the ampersand is very close to the 32k point in the file. CMummert · talk 01:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I looked at MiszaBot again a day or two ago, and it still seems to have some bugs, so it looks like manual archiving will be necessary for a while. Firefox doesn't seem to have the problem with semicolons that the current version of opera does, so I can archive the talk page using firefox, or if you prefer you can archive it and I will leave it alone. CMummert · talk 12:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Now that you know what caused the problem and how to avoid it, I have no objection to you continuing to do the archiving. JRSpriggs 12:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism project help needed

I was hoping you could take a look at our results on the vandalism study project (which is now finalized) so that you could help us write up our conclusions. If you want to help check out [3]. Thanks Remember 22:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance of WT:WPM

After your recent edits moving the shortcut to the archivelist, on Firefox (1) the shortcut and archive boxes appeared on the left, superimposed on the TOC; and (2) the TOC became very thin; about 15 en wide. I succeeded in making (1) go away by making the shortcut into a separate division, but (2) persists.  --Lambiam^Talk 16:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The TOC looks normal now. The archivelist box is offset from the right margin (also on IE), which looks strange but does not impair readability.  --Lambiam^Talk 14:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the margin is OK now.  --Lambiam^Talk 15:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BRFA

Hi - could you take a look at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/VeblenBot and offer your comments on the trial so far? I'll be happy to approve if there are no outstanding issues. Martinp23 18:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stats table

Regarding kingboyk's question at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/VeblenBot about merging your code into the WP 1.0 script, I for myself would be fine with that. However, we'd need to see if people are indeed interested in that, and make sure people don't complain about the much larger table. I'd like to note that, last time when we went from a 1D table without importance dimension to the current 2D table, we had complaints, with some people liking the new 2D table and others disliking it a lot because it would not fit in a sidebar as before. So, for now I'd think using the current smaller table would be a good enough solution. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Oleg. I was thinking it might be useful for projects who specifically request it, rather than becoming a new default. That said I think the solution of this running independently with a review later if other projects say "we want that!" is just fine. I did mention it at Template_talk:WPBiography#Proposed_Arts_and_Entertainment_parameters. --kingboyk 11:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh the other thing is that it looks like Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Wikipedia 1.0/Applied mathematics is manually generated, whereas WPBio is already getting something close to this functionality - but without the pretty table - by defining multiple WP1 assessment groups, such as Index · Statistics · Log —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kingboyk (talk • contribs) 2007-03-27T11:13:21.

Kingboyk: The lists like that one are manually generated right now. The difficulty with making them automatically is the "Comments" field, which my bot doesn't fetch. I could make similar tables without the comments field using information already in the bot's memory, but I haven't gotten to it yet. I would have to see whether people are attached to the comments field.

If your project does implement a setup like the one the math project has, and you would like my bot to generate a table, let me know. I will have to modularize the code to make it easier to switch to different projects. CMummert · talk 11:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Oleg: I thought your argument was that it was better not to make WP 1.0 bot do different things for different projects. There were two independent goals for this script: to count B+ articles and to give a breakdown by field. The first is irrelevant to WP 1.0 and the second requires a lot of per-project settings (what are the fields, how do you test them, how do you get a list of articles with no field assigned, etc.). On the other hand, if you would like to do the work of modularizing the script that I have now (to make the project settings configurable), I wouldn't stand in your way. CMummert · talk 11:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. (By the way, I don't know how good my argument about not having per project specific preferences is, if at some point some better/more willing programmer than me would want to take over the script (hint, hint :) then the per project preferences and other fancier features could find their way in.) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] comment

ok, thanks for the info —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BBCOFFEECAT (talk • contribs) 2007-03-28T23:42:23.

[edit] Thanks

Sorry about the mess with the multiple math links! I was trying to put myself in the shoes of a student looking for math help. I'll use the talk pages in the future. Thanks again! (New user) Ken Kuniyuki 06:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snowbot

If I have understood right, it's a simple text substitution. Yes, it can handle it. Snowolf ^(talk) _CON ^COI - 13:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for minor edit to "Hippie" article

I did as you suggested and made my request on ManinBlack's talk page. However, from other posted comments I gather that he may have withdrawn from the project. Neither requested change has anything to do with the disputed items. Apostle12 18:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Juris Doctor/JD

Thank you for deciding that I and everybody else have agreed to a bunch of edits we haven't comment upon and haven't had time to comment upon. Thank you for deciding that a consensus has been reached because you have decided something, solo. Thank you for editing my thoughts for me to tell me what I think by removing what I said and sending them down the 1984 "memory hole." Thank you for unprotecying a page that is now reopened to anonymous vandalism. Thank you for not troubling the anonymous vandal by bothering him.HarvardOxon 20:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Greeting, CMummert, would you mind to keep an eye on the juris doctor page now and then. Certain indiviual has been putting in erratic and arguably irrelevant material onto the article. It really shouldn't be hard to keep the JD wiki-page unbiased and simple. I believe most people who desire to maintain the integrity of that page are getting quite tired. Thank you. Justicelilo 16:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] request assistance...

I've been editing and adding to articles for quite some time, but I haven't encountered many issues, so I don't really know many mods or admins and I'm not exactly sure about the protocol for my particular situation...You helped add links on the protected Franklin Lashley page that I thought were necessary, so that makes you one of the few moderators/admins I know of...

I have a question regarding the actions of a nonregistered user... 207.16.198.77 (talk • contribs) Has undone or reverted substancial additions I've made twice now. Both on the Torrie Wilson article. The first time it happened I opened a discussion on the article's talk page asking others if they thought the revert was necessary. After 2 or 3 days, I got no response and quite a few other edits had been made, so I just put my old additions back, along with quite a few others...and of course the very next change to the article is 207.16.198.77 (talk • contribs) undoing my changes. Looking at the user's "contributions" it seems reverts make up a substantial portion of his list. It's almost all he does.

Normally I would send a direct talk message inquiring about it, but with an unregistered user I'm not exactly sure what the best course of action would be. It seems that Torrie Wilson may be best served to join the ranks of semi-protected articles, much like so many other biographies relating to the pro wrestling industry.

I invite you to look at the additions I made (to this article as well as any others) and compare the article to the way it was after he undid them. Please, help me to rectify this situation, as with users like this it gets so frustrating putting in the time and effort to make valuable contributions only to have them arbitrarily deleted. Makes me not care to contribute any more.

How should I proceed? --JohnDoe0007 23:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mexico

Would you please take a look at this? The article was unprotected and a wave of vandalism has started again. I listed the article to request semi-protection. Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 03:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, thanks anyway. I took a look at the Admins boards, in order to see what admin was recently online, to improve my chances of getting a fast answer. AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 06:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: response to question about Torrie Wilson

...Let me know if your attempt at discussion is not successful, in a few days, and I will look at the situation again. CMummert · talk 02:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'll let you know how it goes... --JohnDoe0007 19:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)