Talk:Climbing specialist (cycling)

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I've removed references to Armstrong in the list and replaced the image. It's deeply misleading to have an image of an all-rounder at the top of a page about climbing specialists.

Oh and Totschnig is a national TT champ! One good climbing performance in a grand tour does not make you a climbing specialist.


Imho Armstrong et al. are not classical climbers. Those guys want the top-3. Even Virenques designation as a typical climber can be contested-notwithstanding his 7 pois rouges. Phlebas 20:35, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

If Lance armstrong is a climbing specialist, Merckx, Indurain, and other 5time TDF winners are also climbing specialists 213.224.145.22 13:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Listing Lance Armstrong here as a great climber dishonors true climbing specialists of the past. Lance Armstrong is the best but not in every sense (good to keep in mind). More than a climber he was a master tactician, a great time trialist and overall cyclist. He was also a good climber but this was not his prominent feature. I vote for removing Lance Armstrong from this list and let him be in others!

I think climbers are usually defined as riders whose main strength is riding uphill, they're not so good at time trialing. Armstrong is an all rounder, as are nearly all stage race winners; Merckx, Indurain, Hinault, Fignon etc. LDHan 22:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Climbing Specialists

I have removed these from the list, for reasons mentioned:

Also I have removed any reference to Santiago Botero since he's been pretty bad since he left Kelme (wink wink), and I removed his picture also, and inserted Marco Pantani, Botero not really a good climber.

Evito 07:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I hate lists

OK, I'll admit it: I hate lists. They grow and grow and grow, there will be arguments as to why such and such should or should not be on the list. I propose that the list is completely removed. It is much more informative to instead give a narrative of several legendary climbers in detail, instead of just name-dropping. I will start this in a week or so unless there is an objection. Julius.kusuma 23:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Body weight & height

I doubt about the information that body weight is proportional to the cube of body height. We use BMI to understand simillarly weighted individuals. For example a 185cm (6 ft 1 inch),75 kg person has equivalent weight of a person who is 170 cm (5 ft 7 inch) and weighs 63.3kg. It is because they have same BMI (21.9). And according to the defination of BMI, body mass is proportional to square of the height. But if it were cube, then they had to weigh 81.6kg and 63.3 kg respectively to be equivalent. The reason behind the fact that we can find many ultralight climbers is something different. As they also compete with time trialists in time trial (though not as good as them), they must have high absolute VO2 max (though lower than time trialists). Now when this high absolute VO2 max is divided by their low body weight (which time trialists do not have), they have a very high relative VO2 max. That is what makes them great climbers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.125.64.10 (talk) 04:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

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