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[edit] Galton
As far as I can tell, if Galton had such an impact on meteorology such as inventing the weather map or the term anticyclone, surely it would be on his biographical page or in some meteorology text book. Redfield and Loomis may be the first ones to construct weather maps, from the references I linked to from the Surface Analysis - Weather page. Also, inserted the word past in there more often to help emphasize the fact that climatology is the study of past weather events. Added Helmut Landsberg biography into wikipedia, due to his enormous importance to the field of climatology. Thegreatdr 16:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reference style for climatology pages - what is it?
I ask the original author to come forward in this talk and state which reference format they would wish for this page the ref format or direct links from the body of the text. Someone just switched reference style away from what the Tropical Cyclone pages are moving towards, which I thought was not supposed to be done unless they were the author. Thegreatdr 01:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Structure finally set
The format of this page is now more in line with other meteorology articles, including a reference section and a see also section. Thegreatdr 15:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- This article kicks off by saying what climatology is not (meteorology). It also suffers a bit from telegraphic style, with a lot of technical terms used in ways that only an insider would likely understand.
- I've taken undergrad courses in climatology, climate change, and radiative processes in atmospheres (a physics course), so I might be able to fill this page out a little. I compared the meteorology page, which is much more richly treated currently. Of course a lot of the terms and concepts on that page were covered in my intro to climatology. In fact I got the feeling I was one course along on the way to qualifying in meteorology; a friend who works in meteorology looked at my homework and said it was exactly what he had learned and still uses at work. I don't want to duplicate all that here, but it would seem fair to mention the key concepts: pressure systems, jets, Rossby waves etc.Birdbrainscan 03:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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- That would be great. Just keep in mind the difference between weather and climate: here, the topic is on things like how pressure systems and waves define regional climate or affect the planetary energy balance. Many of the same phenomena but viewed from a different perspective. Raymond Arritt 04:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I've gone looking for inspiration at Thompson's Essential Science Indicators. One idea is to describe the large research centres involved in climatology and climate modeling - MPI, NCAR, etc. (I note there is a category tag for "meteorological organizations" but not for climatological ones, yet.) Identifying the leading journals dedicated to climatology might be useful as well.Birdbrainscan 15:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Famous?
Fame is somewhat subjective. But I don't see Lindzen as being up there with the others William M. Connolley 16:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think this just shows the enormous amount of bias that is forced upon the climate pages on Wikipedia. But perhaps this is only my subjective judgment. --Childhood's End 17:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- More like your impolitness. Its probably because he's by far the best-known skeptic; but that alone isn't enough William M. Connolley 17:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- For a climatologist, he was published like 3-4 times in an obscure newspaper called The Wall Street Journal, and a Google search returns only 149,000 hits, so I guess you're right. --Childhood's End 17:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you measure fame as a climatologist by publication in the WSJ, then L beats Koppen any day. But you don't. L is a noted climate scientist with an impressive publication record (although not much recently). He is famous for being a skeptic; his own work isn't very well known. But... as I said, its subjective. Tell you what: I'll be happy to abide by RA's opinion: would you agree? William M. Connolley 17:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, if you measure fame "within climatology circles", then perhaps Lindzen does not belong there, but fame has public connotations that go well beyond specific scientific circles. Freud's work is still quite controversial within psychology circles, but he is probably nonetheless the most famous psychologist within the public.
- Is "RA" Raymond arritt? You probably know better than me what he thinks about this question. It would be a bit naive on my part to agree... --Childhood's End 18:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Assuming that's me, I'd rather delete the list altogether and focus instead on filling out the rest of the article, which is pretty thin. Simple lists are generally frowned upon in WP, and we'd have endless debates about what "famous" means -- Just how famous is "famous"? And in what context -- climate science? science more broadly (e.g., Wegener is better known for continental drift than for his work in climatology per se)? popular media? etc, etc, etc. Raymond Arritt 18:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, after all, I abide by RA on the whole :) --Childhood's End 19:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- OK, so do I (yes that was the right RA) William M. Connolley 19:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you measure fame as a climatologist by publication in the WSJ, then L beats Koppen any day. But you don't. L is a noted climate scientist with an impressive publication record (although not much recently). He is famous for being a skeptic; his own work isn't very well known. But... as I said, its subjective. Tell you what: I'll be happy to abide by RA's opinion: would you agree? William M. Connolley 17:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- For a climatologist, he was published like 3-4 times in an obscure newspaper called The Wall Street Journal, and a Google search returns only 149,000 hits, so I guess you're right. --Childhood's End 17:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- More like your impolitness. Its probably because he's by far the best-known skeptic; but that alone isn't enough William M. Connolley 17:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
