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Does anybody know about the tradition of turning rings? I've been looking into the subject but really haven't found anything, any insight on this matter would be greatly appreciated. --MKultra 14:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, the insignia is supposed to be turned inward if wearing the class ring while in classes, then turned outward after graduating. DonaNobisPacem 06:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

From another site [1]:

Class rings are worn with the point of the school crest pointing toward you until you graduate, when the ring is turned around (some schools, such as mine, have a special ceremony for this). The point facing outward symbolizes your leaving your school and going out into the world. DonaNobisPacem 06:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Apparently ring manufacturers recently have been telling ring buyers this, but every etiquette guide that mentions how one properly wears a class ring says otherwise. To wear any kind of signet ring with the insignia facing outward is highly pretentious; the point to wearing a class ring is not to "show off," but rather is to commemorate one's graduation. See Vanderbilt, Complete Guide to Etiquette, as cited in the article. 66.140.75.57 16:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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Does anybody know which finger a class ring is typically put on?

I was just researching this very question - according to a couple of sites, it is supposed to be the right third (I assume they mean middle?) finger.DonaNobisPacem 06:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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See Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-04-22 Virginia Military Institute. Washington and Lee University's newspaper isn't a reliable source (for this claim) because it does no comparison of other rings.--Vidkun 14:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Check the facts, VMIs rings are the largest allowed by US law. Norwich College(a half military/half civilian school up in Vermont or New Hampshire) always tries to replicate VMI's rings, so I've stated "among the largest" not THE largest.Koonoonga 15:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

US law sets ring standards? Now that would be a verifiable fact and a great addition to the article. What section of US law covers class rings? Rillian 18:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

None. This is an oft repeated claim by VMI, Norwich University and other military school graduates, that their rings are considered brass knuckles, or deadly weapons. One editor on wikipedia (one of the VMI partisans) cited Virginia laws, except that there was no mention of ring weights in (or around) the section cited. In fact a search of Virginia state laws shows NOTHING regarding ring weights. This is an example of urban myth, and used to inflate the importance of the school. As such, it has no place on wikipedia.--Vidkun 20:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Once again Vidkun, you are wrong. Check the source on this from VMI's discussion page, "The maximum allowed size for a VMI ring is 44 dwt., as anything greater is classified as a deadly weapon under the Code of Virginia, § 18.2-57." Check the code before you speak next time Vidkun. The statement on the class ring page is AMONG the largest. We can all agree that 44 dwt. is AMONG the largest. The statement stands. What is it that is getting your panties in a knot over this factual statement?Koonoonga 20:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I did check the source: here. There is NO reference to weight of rings in that section, nor in any of the OTHER sections linked in that document. Try again!--Vidkun 21:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What is it that is getting your panties in a knot over this factual statement? Because it is NOT a factual statement, or at least it is not supported as such in the citation from Washington and Lee College. What CAN be reliably stated is that one reporter at Washington and Lee makes the claim that VMI rings are among the largest. The fact that someone makes that claim is verifiable, the claim itself is not.--Vidkun 21:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The appropriate section of Viginia State law, seeing as how people keep trying to cite it:

§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.

A. Any person who commits a simple assault or assault and battery shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor, and if the person intentionally selects the person against whom a simple assault is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.

B. However, if a person intentionally selects the person against whom an assault and battery resulting in bodily injury is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the person shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony, and the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.

C. In addition, if any person commits an assault or an assault and battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a judge, a law-enforcement officer as defined hereinafter, a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1, a person employed by the Department of Corrections directly involved in the care, treatment or supervision of inmates in the custody of the Department, a firefighter as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer firefighter or lifesaving or rescue squad member who is a member of a bona fide volunteer fire department or volunteer rescue or emergency medical squad regardless of whether a resolution has been adopted by the governing body of a political subdivision recognizing such firefighters or members as employees, engaged in the performance of his public duties, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and, upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.

Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to affect the right of any person charged with a violation of this section from asserting and presenting evidence in support of any defenses to the charge that may be available under common law.

D. In addition, if any person commits a battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a full-time or part-time teacher, principal, assistant principal, or guidance counselor of any public or private elementary or secondary school and is engaged in the performance of his duties as such, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and the sentence of such person upon conviction shall include a sentence of 15 days in jail, two days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement. However, if the offense is committed by use of a firearm or other weapon prohibited on school property pursuant to § 18.2-308.1, the person shall serve a mandatory minimum sentence of confinement of six months.

E. As used in this section:

"Judge" means any justice or judge of a court of record of the Commonwealth including a judge designated under § 17.1-105, a judge under temporary recall under § 17.1-106, or a judge pro tempore under § 17.1-109, any member of the State Corporation Commission, or of the Virginia Workers' Compensation Commission, and any judge of a district court of the Commonwealth or any substitute judge of such district court.

"Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office which is part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof, who is responsible for the prevention or detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic or highway laws of this Commonwealth, and any conservation officer of the Department of Conservation and Recreation commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115, and game wardens appointed pursuant to § 29.1-200, and such officer also includes jail officers in local and regional correctional facilities, all deputy sheriffs, whether assigned to law-enforcement duties, court services or local jail responsibilities, auxiliary police officers appointed or provided for pursuant to §§ 15.2-1731 and 15.2-1733 and auxiliary deputy sheriffs appointed pursuant to § 15.2-1603.

"School security officer" means an individual who is employed by the local school board for the purpose of maintaining order and discipline, preventing crime, investigating violations of school board policies and detaining persons violating the law or school board policies on school property, a school bus or at a school-sponsored activity and who is responsible solely for ensuring the safety, security and welfare of all students, faculty and staff in the assigned school.

F. "Simple assault" or "assault and battery" shall not be construed to include the use of, by any teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant principal, guidance counselor, school security officer, school bus driver or school bus aide, while acting in the course and scope of his official capacity, any of the following: (i) incidental, minor or reasonable physical contact or other actions designed to maintain order and control; (ii) reasonable and necessary force to quell a disturbance or remove a student from the scene of a disturbance that threatens physical injury to persons or damage to property; (iii) reasonable and necessary force to prevent a student from inflicting physical harm on himself; (iv) reasonable and necessary force for self-defense or the defense of others; or (v) reasonable and necessary force to obtain possession of weapons or other dangerous objects or controlled substances or associated paraphernalia that are upon the person of the student or within his control.

In determining whether a person was acting within the exceptions provided in this subsection, due deference shall be given to reasonable judgments that were made by a teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant principal, guidance counselor, school security officer, school bus driver, or school bus aide at the time of the event.

(1975, cc. 14, 15; 1994, c. 658; 1997, c. 833; 1999, cc. 771, 1036; 2000, cc. 288, 682; 2001, c. 129; 2002, c. 817; 2004, cc. 420, 461; 2006, cc. 270, 709, 829.)

And now the section on weapons on school property:

§ 18.2-308.1. Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school property prohibited.

A. If any person possesses any (i) stun weapon or taser as defined in this section; (ii) knife, except a pocket knife having a folding metal blade of less than three inches; or (iii) weapon, including a weapon of like kind, designated in subsection A of § 18.2-308, other than a firearm; upon (a) the property of any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds; (b) that portion of any property open to the public and then exclusively used for school-sponsored functions or extracurricular activities while such functions or activities are taking place; or (c) any school bus owned or operated by any such school, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. If any person possesses any firearm designed or intended to expel a projectile by action of an explosion of a combustible material while such person is upon (i) any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds; (ii) that portion of any property open to the public and then exclusively used for school-sponsored functions or extracurricular activities while such functions or activities are taking place; or (iii) any school bus owned or operated by any such school, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony; however, if the person possesses any firearm within a public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school building and intends to use, or attempts to use, such firearm, or displays such weapon in a threatening manner, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of five years to be served consecutively with any other sentence.

The exemptions set out in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section. The provisions of this section shall not apply to (i) persons who possess such weapon or weapons as a part of the school's curriculum or activities; (ii) a person possessing a knife customarily used for food preparation or service and using it for such purpose; (iii) persons who possess such weapon or weapons as a part of any program sponsored or facilitated by either the school or any organization authorized by the school to conduct its programs either on or off the school premises; (iv) any law-enforcement officer; (v) any person who possesses a knife or blade which he uses customarily in his trade; (vi) a person who possesses an unloaded firearm that is in a closed container, or a knife having a metal blade, in or upon a motor vehicle, or an unloaded shotgun or rifle in a firearms rack in or upon a motor vehicle; or (vii) a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school. For the purposes of this paragraph, "weapon" includes a knife having a metal blade of three inches or longer and "closed container" includes a locked vehicle trunk.

As used in this section:

"Stun weapon" means any mechanism that is (i) designed to emit an electronic, magnetic, or other type of charge that exceeds the equivalency of a five milliamp 60 hertz shock and (ii) used for the purpose of temporarily incapacitating a person; and

"Taser" means any mechanism that is (i) designed to emit an electronic, magnetic, or other type of charge or shock through the use of a projectile and (ii) used for the purpose of temporarily incapacitating a person.

(1979, c. 467; 1988, c. 493; 1990, cc. 635, 744; 1991, c. 579; 1992, cc. 727, 735; 1995, c. 511; 1999, cc. 587, 829, 846; 2001, c. 403; 2003, cc. 619, 976; 2004, cc. 128, 461; 2005, cc. 830, 928.)

You poor guy... you did not cite any of the articles of ammendments to this code, where the reference is clearly documented. TRY AGAIN, Vidkun... P.S. I won't delete any of the unuseful ramblings of the state code you sourced...but please try againKoonoonga 22:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Since you're the one making the claim, it's up to you to cite any of the "articles of ammendments to this code" that support the claim, not Vidkun. Rather than making personal attacks, why not just provide the citation? Rillian 13:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

This is about what I have come to expect from those interested in supporting the claim. It's difficult to assume good faith when verifiable information is constantly removed, and unverifiable claims are constantly made. Looks like it's time for mediation again.--Vidkun 14:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)