Talk:Class conflict
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[edit] Merger
Content from Class warfare mergerd, please see Talk:Class warfare for previous discussion. Sam [Spade] 16:00, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Weasel Words
Arguably, there is little fundamental difference between the class warfare that existed between the Victorian era monarchy and the common public, and a modern corporation and its workers.
Salvor Hardin 14:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps. The corporation is a legal entity that even its defenders know is a legal entity and not a force of nature. While monarchies claimed their existance was sanctioned by the gods.
Simbad Bob 12:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of vandalism
"Class warfare is also a form of extreme violence that takes place between students in British state schools. Weapons used in a “class war” include nuclear warhead tipped paper aeroplanes and hollow ball point pen rocket launchers. Class wars are often caught on video using mobile phones. The Daily Hate Mail is an honest and outspoken investigative publication that first brought class wars to the publics’ attention."
I have removed this ridiculous, and rather unfunny paragraph.
[edit] class war myths
Class war or class conflict is not a concept born out of Marxism nor first identified by Karl Marx. Conflicts between social classes goes way back and was identified by even Aristotle.
Also since it has been observed since way before gravity was labeled, it could be argued that it is as natural. Perhaps Aristotle experts can expand thusly on the 'class conflict' article for us.
Simbad Bob 12:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- We should look for and present all major points of view about class conflict: natural (Aristotle), inevitable (Marx), tragic (Moon), etc. --Uncle Ed 14:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- And where's the French Revolution - probably the most important class conflict in history. Donnacha 15:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article Improvement
I've nominated this article for Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive, feel like supporting it? Donnacha 16:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Superficial Approach
Without some reference to the important views of Vilfredo Pareto and Nietzsche on the subject, this article will continue to be just a superficial repetition of a couple of Marxian concepts.201.21.202.214 19:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- See the above topic. This article needs the input of some serious historians - class conflict didn't start with Marx. Donnacha 22:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dumb article
This has got to be one of the dumbest articles on Wikipedia. Complete crap from start to finish. Doctors without suspenders 04:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Way to go
Doctors, did you even read two of those tags you placed on this page (?):
"The neutrality of this article's title and/or subject matter is disputed. This is a dispute over the neutrality of viewpoints implied by the title, or the subject matter within its scope, rather than the actual facts stated. Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page."
"This article or section may contain original research or unverified claims. Please help Wikipedia by adding references. See the talk page for details."
All you appear to have contributed to any solution are insults thrown at the article. And you didn't even spend much time on those insults.
Do you actually want to help make this better? Or are you merely out to show how good you at identifying articles that need work? ;P
--Antelope In Search Of Truth 21:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- He's right though, this article is seriously POV and needs very serious surgery. Alas, it didn't win the article improvement drive vote. Class conflict in the modern context emerged from the political conflict during the English Civil War (eg. the Diggers (True Levellers)), a while before Marx wrote anything. As I said above, the French Revolution is arguably history's most important example. This article needs proper historians' input, not Marxist dogma. Donnacha 23:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Mr DwS should have been more constructive, but I agree with his tags. This article needs a lot of rewriting (by a trained historian, as Donnacha says) and reference cites. - Frankie 18:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Definitely with you guys; you'll note I didn't criticize his selection of tags. Just the fact that he didn't even appear to read them or didn't care what they actually said in the fine print. Because they direct the people submitting them to be specific.
--Antelope In Search Of Truth 19:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Class Warfare in the US
Another area that needs proper development - the heyday of real class warfare in the US was the period between the Haymarket Riots and the Aliens Act and the expulsion of the Russian anarchists - particularly the battles between the IWW and the Pinkertons. It could also so with some stuff about how class warfare tended to be taken over by organised crime. Donnacha 19:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Apologies
I'm sorry. I obviously offended people here, and for that I apologize. I shouldn't have been so brutish and unhelpful with my criticisms. Doctors without suspenders 17:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- Heh, clearly not many people here hang out on the Anarchism article ;) Now, the question is, where does one find an historian willing to put what's needed together. While I know the historical hotspots, it's not my area of expertise. Donnacha 19:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Also, it's inaccurate
The class breakdown, to the best of my knowledge, is also wrong. Marxism, for example, has more than two classes that can be broken into Bourgeoise and Proles. The Proles are important because for Marx they are a revolutionary class. There is also the the aristocracy (the Bourgeoise have been in class conflict for the aristocracy since they've existed, basically, and in this fight the bourgeoise are the heroes according to Marx), and the peasants (who are poor and not a revolutionary class) and the intelligensia at least. I don't know much about Marxism, and actually came to this article hoping to find a nice list of all the classes various people have seen existing.
