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I was going to add more to this article today, but for now I'll just note the areas I think can be expanded upon:

  • leagues, competition
  • size of clans, including in different types of games
  • clans that span multiple games
  • controversial topics:
    • how uberguilds affect games
    • real-world competition among clans (including violence)
  • differences between competitive and social clans
  • requirements in joining elite clans: skill, location, internet connection, level
  • clans in other genres (mostly on FPS and MMORPG at the moment)

--Mrwojo 18:16, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Merge

I linked this to a stub on Online Gaming Organizations, though I am uncertain which would better suit the task. The OGO article is intended to discuss multi-game units. The Phase discussion is good information, but seems intended as a guide to running a guild rather than an encyclopedic description of the typical phases of guilds. --Habap 16:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I say merge the articles and throw out the detailed descritions of each phase. - The Merciful 10:45, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree, they are the same thing and should be merged. OGO seems a good title too since it is not loaded with the associations to different types of groups that the other terms are. Also the phase section although probably typical of many groups is more opinion than fact, it certainly doesn't seem to fit the encyclopedic style of wikipedia.--FlooK 20:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
On the other hand OGO seems a term with no background, it shows up in google more in reference to poker. On the other hand clan has been used extensively for years and If any other term is significantly different enough not to be included under it then it would probably deserve it's own article anyway. I've removed the phase discussion now, it read too much like a community site article based on someone's experience and a very narrow definition of a clan or guild. --FlooK 06:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I concur. In writing OGO, I was trying to discover a term that would be non-loaded and apply to guilds, clans, syndicates, teams and anything else. I think we should merge the stuff that has appeared over on OGO into this and ensure proper redirects exist. (OGO may not need a redirect since the term is not in common usage). --Habap 15:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the term "clan"

I see the historical origin of the term, much more encyclopdic information than the phases of a typical clan, isn't mentioned. I'm 99.9% sure the origin is in NetMech, the on-line version of Mechwarrior 2 which was popular in its time, but I can't find any references. This article is the closest I found. - The Merciful 10:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I'll contribute some apocryphal information, that could be of some use for tracking down references. The online Quake forum AfterShock, maintained by Joost Schuur of later GameSpy fame, had one of the earliest discussions of online competition structure (June-July 1996) and that's one of the places where the MechWarrior 2 notion of a "clan" was explicitly adapted for Quake. Clan Red Dragon, one of the earliest Quake clans extant, was in some sense formed out of those discussions. User:Axon 23 April 2006
Clan Red Dragon (which still exists, it appears) has a history section on their game that gives a good account of origin of the Quake Clans movement, and also includes a copy of an older article on the history of ClanRing (the premiere Quake Clans DM 'league'). Having been very active in the Quake community of the time and member of one of the older prominent clans, I can vouch that is it accurate. Pimlottc 22:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
For what its worth, I can also vouch for the above (what was stated by Pimlottc), as I am in Clan Knightmare™ - a Quake clan formed during that time (June 23, 1996). IIRC, in order to be a part of the "official" clan list, you had to have 5 active clan members before being considered "a clan". It seems as if the site initially started as a list (after QTest was released) mantained by a guy from Clan 311, but eventually ended up being hosted by iD Software themselves. I am not sure if the site you refer to is the 'History of ClanRing' but if it is not, the Muppet Clan has a nice write up concerning some of the first Quake clans. -kmwatcha 19:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

If what I've been told is true (read: needs further research to finally confirm), the earliest clan, known as such, in gaming history should be "The Clan"(!), which was centered around Descent.

[edit] Article name

How about if we move the article from Clan (computer gaming) to Gaming clan. It would look better that way imho. bbx 19:25, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Because most people would search for "clan", not "gaming clan", so it is more likely to be found this way. --Habap 13:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Why is it easier to find Clan (computer gaming) than Gaming clan? If you type "Clan" in the search window and press Go you'll end up on Clan which has a link to Clan (disambiguation) on top of the article. bbx 13:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
True, I'm not really convinced that the article really needs moved, both titles are completely accurate. I can see one possible advantage being that "gaming clan" as a phrase is going to be used more in internal links than "clan (computer gaming)" which always ends up as [[clan (computer gaming|clan]] in anything I write. — FlooK 16:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I think a move would be a good idea. There are clans for console games. BioTube 04:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps a rename to Clan (video gaming) would suffice? Or perhaps Clan (Gaming community) as several clans exist outside the world of video games, in sports such as airsoft. --Acra 17:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


Should the word "universities" really be linked in the intro? It doesn't seem related, Wikipedia has a search field for a reason. ;) --Ecnassianer 01:17, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guild hall

In MMORPG games, guilds sometimes can have guild halls.

[edit] Shadowclan as example of Organization

The Shadowclan guild which began in the MMO game Ultima Online has expanded and is now a parent organization to Shadowclan "branches" in other games (most notably World of Warcraft). At its peak it had leadership groups in several games simultaneously and thus would be a good example in the Organization heading. --Guest user Anthony Davis, 22:47 GMT 10 September, 2006.

I don't think it would be useful, mnostly because it would prompt everyone who belongs to a similar group to add their guild name. We don't need that kind of vandalism. Does it add any value to this article to talk about any specific clan or guild? I think not. --Habap 14:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Especially since Shadowclan certainly did not "invent" the concept of branches. All this is is an advertisement/ego boost attempt. Drouillm 04:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paranoia

"High-end EverQuest guilds invariably censor the in-game chat display when posting screenshots to avoid revealing their strategies", as a member of a guild that was briefly top guild on an EverQuest server I don't think keeping strategies secret was ever a factor in obscuring screenshots. In most cases only thing that was obscured was chat portion of screenshot and that was done, because it was either irellevant to what screenshot was supposed to show or because it might have revealed messages that were sent in confidence.

Changed to "to avoid revealing sensitive information" --Habap 13:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Natural Born Killaz - PS2 Gaming clan.

[NbK] Natural born Killaz clan which began on the 26/08/05. Currently we can be found on Games such as MGS3,Killzone, Battlefield2: modern combat and Black Hawk Down Team Sabre. Ranked in the top 5 for multiple EU Ladder's on GAMEBATTLES.COM, we finished in 2nd place for the Knifes Only Tournament. To name a few of our triumphs. We have a well kept upto date website and forum with links to past clan match videos, roster information and variuos other clans and sites, [NbK]would be a suitable example to be put on this an other similar wikipedia articles. It would also allow people an insight into an online gaming clan which currently wikipedia does'nt offer. Guest user Tombebairre http://www.nbkclan.eu/

[edit] =CTA= Cut Throat Assasins Newly Formed Multi-Gaming Clan

We were formed in November of 2006 our website which is currently under cunstruction if you would like to stop by is here[1]. We would like everyone to participate in our clan as we are a Multi- Genre and Mutli-Gaming clan. Everyone is welcome we play all games from a-z our ventrilo is ventrilo2.ecgnetwork.com 4293! Have fun!

Adding a link to your half-existing website under "resources" was a bit silly.

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