Talk:Civiq Society
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[edit] Delete threat
There is an anti-Hi-IQ/Gifted Jihad in process at the moment. Already the Mega Society has been deleted and Ronald K. Hoeflin and The Ultranet are up for deletion. Who will be next? Marilyn vos Savant, Mensa? Don't take this lying down: the Mega Society deletion has been appealed, please go here and support its reinstatement with an overturn vote.
Possible articles under threat are:
Marilyn vos Savant, International High IQ Society, Mensa International, Intertel, Colloquy, CIVIQ Society, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, Triple Nine Society, Prometheus Society, HELLIQ Society, The Ultranet, OLYMPIQ Society, Giga Society
--Michael C. Price talk 00:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
The better would be when the people who want to delete this article could write here, in order to discuss together.
I agree that we should increase the notability. If I understood it well, this would mean to quote some external sources like articles/videos in medias or books published about this society, as a "proof" that it is of common interest ? However, I think we can't expect the same level of notability for all articles in wikipedia : some articles may be easy to notabilize and some less easy, but the question would rather be : why should easy-notabilized articles be more important than others ? Easy-notabilizable could also mean "well-known, we don't look at it because we know this", while an article less easy to notabilize (but which can potentially interests everyone !) could make Wikipedia more interesting, because you could also find information which you don't have in more formal and strict paper encyclopedias. I may also remind that "there is no official policy on notability" and "notability is contentious", "failure to meet these criteria does not mean that a subject must not be included" (see here ).
In my view, this article is written in a neutral way and describes an active international internet society (lots of members, publishing a journal, having a forum open to guests,..). It covers a theme which we don't talk a lot about, but instead of taking this fact as a flaw, we should perceive it as a strength which makes Wikipedia having in a way something more than other encyclopedias.
--Eika1987 23:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I greatly enjoy Wikipedia for its wealth of information and for the concept of an enclyclopedia that is always a work in progress. Wikipedia is unique in that, being an online source of information, it necessarily reflects upon the Internet culture. High IQ groups are an important subset of this culture. I resisted the Internet for several years. High IQ societies is what got me plugged in. From those, I branched out to other uses of the Internet. I daresay that these societies are likely to have drawn many reluctant users online. Thanks to them, such users come to love the Internet. Therefore, I oppose deletion of articles on High IQ Societies. These societies do what the Internet is supposed to do: connect people from all corners of the world, said people sharing a common interest in above-average intelligence, its pros and cons, and how it might be put to use toward possible solutions for some of the world's problems. Wikipedia without articles on High IQ Societies would be like pizza without cheese. Instead of deleting, I propose that you contact the administrators of these societies with specific suggestions as to how the articles might be made ready for inclusion.
I am in favor of keeping this article in Wikipedia. I fail to understand why it lacks notability. Online societies such as Civiq draw many people from all over the world together so that they may share ideas and knowledge. In societies such as Civiq, there are people who could write good articles for Wikipedia. I would think that these people would be wanted for their potential contributions. The deletion threat might serve only to alienate a significant segment of Internet users who could have much to offer. Larkin Derning 02:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Also in my view, the article should be kept, for the reasons mentioned above. Furthermore, many people are concerned with a high IQ: at the level of CIVIQ society there are statistically around 9 million worldwide. --Mike2000 08:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- KEEP I see no arguments for deletion so it cannot be deleted. If there are not arguments listed here in a few days I will remove the warning.--Tstrobaugh 16:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:PROD removed
I have removed the proposed deletion tags in line with the discussion here. Please note, to avoid future problems, that if you disagree with a proposed deletion you need only remove the tags - no further action is required. You certainly don't need to run an unofficial WP:AFD debate here. The simplest and surest way to avoid questions regarding notability, or falling into the AFD net, is to provide references (see WP:V and the associated WP:RS), ideally from a neutral and credible source. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notability Required
Please submit verification of this organization from a third party source (other than another IQ society article) and some evidence of notability. DaturaS 12:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen any convincing argument exposed yet about the notability of this society. I want to understand that members of the Civiq Society want this article to be preserved, and I don't have anything against the society or high IQ societies in general. But the creators and editors of this article still need to comply with Wikipedia's notability criteria. The Civiq Society needs to be listed in the list of high IQ societies, and it has been listed. But is it notable enough to deserve a whole article in the Wikipedia? Why does it satisfy the notability criteria for companies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28companies_and_corporations%29 of for web content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28web%29? If you check the articles Prometheus Society, Intertel (group), and Triple Nine Society, some of these societies have been quoted by external sources (such as newspapers), some of them have more members and perhaps from many more countries, and all of them are more than 20 years old. Even the new International High IQ Society has thousands of members, (and personally I will contend its notability too). I have proposed the deletion of other commercial organizations/websites in the past, and I would like to be given the reasons as to why this article is not just an ad to just another commercial organization/website, with the respect of the members of the Civiq Society. If your reasons are clear and evident, please state them. (I feel it is important to add that I do not belong to any high IQ society, nor have any personal conflict of interests.) Another Wikipedian 20:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:COPYVIO
Questions of notability notwithstanding, this "article" is a copy&paste from the subject's copyrighted website ... some administrator or registered editor can add the following tag to the main page if they agree: {{Db-copyvio|url=http://civ.iqsociety.org/}} --72.75.105.165 00:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say it's slightly POV, too. Not that I dispute the claim that gifted people suffer from associated problems, but the language kind of gives off a "normal people just don't understand" vibe, which I don't find encyclopaedic. — TheJames 15:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
