Template talk:Cite episode
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[edit] When serieslink is the same as series?
When the article title has exactly the same name as the series (e.g., The Colbert Report), is it necessary to include it twice, or is just putting series=[[The Colbert Report]] acceptable? --TreyHarris 03:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- I can't see any reason why not. I put it in twice myself largely because I'm compulsive that way. :) Bryan 05:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Which style?
Which style is this template based on? It doesn't match MLA and I haven't been able to find anything in the other styles which allow you to cite a specific episode. --TheFarix (Talk) 17:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- IIRC I started off with a copy-and-paste of {{cite book}} and modified it heavily from there, but I doubt I preserved any significant trace of the cite book style in the process. If you know of any formal styles for how to cite television episodes then by all means feel free to edit. I sure don't. :) Bryan 06:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Be my guest. Or if you prefer, give me a reference to work from and I'll update the format myself. The current format is just made up out of thin air, I'm not wedded to it as long as the replacement preserves the information. Bryan 02:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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- You also dropped the minutes field, which is kind of a pity - I didn't use it much but it could be handy for some of the more nitpicky minutiae that fans sometimes get into. Would it offend your sensibilities to fit it back in as an optional "addendum" tacked on to the end of the standard MLA section? The alternative is to tack it on manually as text following the citation template whenever it's significant, which isn't all that onerous either since it wasn't used much. Bryan 06:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] This template isn't working
See Death of Diana, Princess of Wales#References, fourth ref for an example. But I'm not quite game enough to try and fix it by myself. Please help. — Donama 02:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Per the doc, the parameters "serieslink" and "episodelink" are meant to be names of articles on this wiki (stated in doc, scroll up). Don't specify external links there. --Ligulem 08:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DVD commentary
A lot of information regarding TV shows comes from the DVD commentaries, but as far as I can tell there is no template available for this source of information. Could this template be expanded to include commentaries or should we make a new one? --Maitch 13:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- A lot of the fields now in this template are very broadcast-specific, not well suited to DVDs in general. IMO a separate {{cite DVD}} might be worthwhile even for non-commentary-related citations, since in practice I have never cited anything directly from the original broadcast of an episode before. Bryan 06:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Use {{cite visual}} or {{cite video}} for that. Circeus 21:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Ah, nice. Didn't know about those. Bryan 21:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Interviews
What is the proper format for listing 'credits' people involved? For an interview show (say, Inside the Actor's Studio) or documentary with interviews (say, behind the music), what would be the approprate people to cite? (and also the format... A. Jones, B Smith... Jones, Albert; Smith, Bob... Albert Jones & Bob Smith... etc...)? TheHYPO 13:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- This template is aimed mostly at fiction shows, for other videographic material, see the above-mentionned {{cite visual}} and {{cite video}}. Circeus 21:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, this template is for any television or radio broadcast. As for how the names are arranged, this is an MLA based template so you should refer to their formatting guidelines. Most MLA examples on this type citation that I've came across give full names in GN-SN format. For an interview, you should always give the person conducting the interview, if known. For something like Behind the Music, the narrator should also be give and maybe even the producer and editor. The exact order of these names depends on emphasis. --TheFarix (Talk) 23:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- The ida is that these two other templates are more universal. A given documentary or report may be reused widely, in completely different contexts, but {{cite episode}} might requires one to track the exact aired content in order to check the material. Circeus 00:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, this template is for any television or radio broadcast. As for how the names are arranged, this is an MLA based template so you should refer to their formatting guidelines. Most MLA examples on this type citation that I've came across give full names in GN-SN format. For an interview, you should always give the person conducting the interview, if known. For something like Behind the Music, the narrator should also be give and maybe even the producer and editor. The exact order of these names depends on emphasis. --TheFarix (Talk) 23:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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{{cite episode | title = Crybaby Usagi's Magnificent Transformation | episodelink = Sailor Moon episode 001 | series = Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon | serieslink = Sailor Moon | credits = Sukehiro Tomita, Junichi Satou, Hiromi Matsushita | network = TV Asahi | station = JOEX-TV | city = Tokyo | airdate = 1992-03-07 }}
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"Crybaby Usagi's Magnificent Transformation". Sukehiro Tomita, Junichi Satou, Hiromi Matsushita. Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon. TV Asahi. JOEX-TV, Tokyo. 1992-03-07.
Is this the correct usage? - Malkinann 00:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Episode Number
Shouldn't episode number still be in there... many episodes need a clarity to the number... but it says it's obsolete... --Hitsuji Kinno 01:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- True. What was the rational behind obsoleting the season and episode numbers? -BiancaOfHell 18:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Appears to have been simply a means to match the MLA citation style. I say bring them back, personally; if MLA is inferior to our needs we shouldn't feel obligated to follow it simply for the sake of following it. Bryan 19:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- The rational is that it is repetitive information with the episode's title already required. It is completely unnecessary. --TheFarix (Talk) 12:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's not required so if you don't find it useful you needn't add it in. Personally, I find it quite useful to know what season of a series an episode is from; even for the series I'm a fan of I'm not such a huge fan that I instantly know what point in the run any given episode's title is from. Some of the fields in other citation templates are similarly redundant, why should this be treated differently? Bryan 08:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- The rational is that it is repetitive information with the episode's title already required. It is completely unnecessary. --TheFarix (Talk) 12:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Appears to have been simply a means to match the MLA citation style. I say bring them back, personally; if MLA is inferior to our needs we shouldn't feel obligated to follow it simply for the sake of following it. Bryan 19:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Multi-episode serials?
Some programmes, like Doctor Who, frequently have stories in a multi-episode serial format. Is there a way to use this template, or another one, to produce a reference like this:
- "The Daleks." Writer Terry Nation, Director Christopher Barry, Producer Verity Lambert. Doctor Who. BBC, London. December 21, 1963–February 1, 1964
I can't get the template as it is to work with multiple dates. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I could still use a template to do this... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- I added {{{began}}} and {{{ended}}} for this. Use with the same date format as {{{airdate}}}. Circeus 23:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you! It's greatly appreciated. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- I added {{{began}}} and {{{ended}}} for this. Use with the same date format as {{{airdate}}}. Circeus 23:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Credits
The documentation used to recommend that in the "credits" field, you indicate who did what — so, for "Pilot (House)" you would say Bryan Singer (Director), Hugh Laurie (Actor). It no longer gives any indication to do that, so people could just say "Bryan Singer, Hugh Laurie". I think this is somewhat unclear. The MLA format says to use the abbreviations "Dir." and "Perf.", which to my mind are ugly and unnecessary here (since Wikipedia is not paper). Can we work out some coherent recommendations for how to use the "credits" field? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- To be honest, I believe "credit" is only there because some people insist on having it available, and 90% of people don't care how it,s used because of that. It's hardly truly relevant anyway. We want to identify the episode. Wanting an "author" and stuff is a very book-centered view. Circeus 16:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Well, the MLA Handbook says to include "other information that may be pertinent (e.g., performers, director, narrator, number of episodes)". It's not in their list of required info, but they do give examples with writers, directors and performers in their sample entries. (This is in the fifth edition, which is what I happen to have at hand — they may have changed things in the current [sixth] edition.) They also say, "If your reference is primarily to the work of a particular individual, cite that person's name before the title," acknowledging that there are circumstances in which it is important to cite an individual's work in film or television. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- We have no stylebook for citations because everybody wants to go in different directions anyway. Maybe what you really need is {{cite video}} or a variation thereof. Or you could just not use templates at all. There's nothing bad about it if you need to add info you can't. Circeus 16:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's not that I can't add the info, I was just looking for some stylebook-type guidance for how best to format it. If Wikipedia as a whole doesn't have such a stylebook, I guess I'll see if the WikiProject I work with can develop one for our own uses. Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- We have no stylebook for citations because everybody wants to go in different directions anyway. Maybe what you really need is {{cite video}} or a variation thereof. Or you could just not use templates at all. There's nothing bad about it if you need to add info you can't. Circeus 16:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the MLA Handbook says to include "other information that may be pertinent (e.g., performers, director, narrator, number of episodes)". It's not in their list of required info, but they do give examples with writers, directors and performers in their sample entries. (This is in the fifth edition, which is what I happen to have at hand — they may have changed things in the current [sixth] edition.) They also say, "If your reference is primarily to the work of a particular individual, cite that person's name before the title," acknowledging that there are circumstances in which it is important to cite an individual's work in film or television. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Transcript
I just wanted to point out that I added two new variables, transcript and transcripturl. If the source given is a transcript, rather than the actual airing, transcript is set to yes (or whatever, as long as it is set), and "Transcript." will appear at the end of the citation (I don't know if this is actually necessary, but I saw it in a style guide so I thought it'd be a good addition). More importantly, transcripturl allows the URL to a transcript to be provided, which adds something of the form "Transcript." to the end of the citation. For an example of this in use, see CFNY-FM (for which I added the variables in the first place). —Daniel Vandersluis(talk) 16:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
