Talk:Citroën 2CV

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I removed : "The car had no door locks, no indicators (half-windows allowing hand signals), no electric starter, almost no instrumentation, one rear light, one stop lamp, and no heating. " That was true for the prototype not for the production car.

By the wording structure(since corrected by me) combined with the tecnical layout, it appears there is a possibility that this article is no more than a quick, careless, cut and paste job. I believe therefore, the question of copright has to be a real concern. Perhaps it should be looked at further.Olga Bityerkokoff

The article was largely written by Ericd - I'd put money on it not being copyrighted. There's no problem here. --Camembert
Just read the history of this article you will see it's not cut and paste.
Ericd 08:57 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Could we get an explanation for the curious phrase "suicide doors"? -- Infrogmation 01:13 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Do you mean you need one, or that they should be in the article, or they should be their own article? In short, they're doors that face "the wrong way", hinge at the rear, opening at the front. -- John Owens 01:19 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
The first two. If there's quite a bit of interesting information on them, perhaps the third as well :-) I still would like to know the reason for the name. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 01:25 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I can help with that last, they're called that because even more so than doors that face "the right way", getting out while the car is in motion is suicidal, since the door smacks you around then. There might be enough out there for an article, though I think a better candidate than suicide doors might be List of automobiles with suicide doors (or "cars", once that's settled), since there isn't much to say about them themselves beyond the dictionary entry. -- John Owens 01:30 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
Don't start List of automobiles with suicide doors you will have to list nearly all the pre-1940 cars ;)
Ericd 08:57 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

I wonder if the reference to the Stout Scarab should be kept. 9 Scarab only were produced. Does it qualify the Scarab as a production car ? Ericd 15:41 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Nope. Tannin

I remember of a 2CV destroyed by helicopters in "Apocalypse Now" who can confirm ? Ericd 16:07 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

I can confirm myself see http://www.magicsurfbus.com/surfmovies3.htm Ericd

I'm not completely sure how the mechanical wipers worked. I remembrer driving a 1953 2CV under the rain once in 1980. I know there was only one cable to fore the tachometer and the wipers but how did Citroën manage to make them move (even slowly) when the car was stopped ? Is it possible that they was an inertial system ? I haven't tested if they would stop after a sufficient time. Ericd 22:34, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

From ownership of 1954 2CV - the wipers had a handle that could be rotated back and forth by hand to wipe windows when stationary.

This is in the article. But I was not sure if the wipers stopped or only slowed when the car was stationary. Well they are connected with the tachometer to the gearbox and they stop. ~~

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[edit] The meaning of the term 2CV is not deux chevaux!

The CV seems to be a unit used to place french cars in different tax classes based on how the engine power relates to the polluting level. Puissance fiscale is the french name for this unit, and there is a description of the formula on this page http://www.lewebdesconducteurs.com/guide/technique/unites.htm

This knowledge comes from a webpage run by a norwegian enthusiast http://home.no.net/kjellts/2cvev/a/hvorfor-cv.shtml

Christian Dyrop

CV = Cheval Vapeur (Steam Horse) the expression was already old fashioned in the 40's everybody said Cheval or Cheval Fiscal. Ericd 07:57, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 2cv4!

In this history part you are saying that 2cv4 was produced with 425cc engine. Thats not true! There was some 435cc engine in 2cv4. This 435cc engine is a black sheep from citroen. The torque is lousy and it takes fuel almoust as much as 602cc engine. 2cv4 was in production in years 1970-1975. Make a note: there was also model called dyane 4. Dyane 4 was fitted also with 435cc engine and producted in the same years as 2cv4. 2cv4 is unfamiliar everywhere exept in Finland. Finland has been some kind of garbage for these 2cv4´s. It´s sad that most of these citroen 2cv internet pages doesent tell anything about 435cc engines... But trust me, i´m building one 1968 dyane with 435cc engine at the moment. (Not original, but my Very Special :) )

From: Young citronist from Finland.

[edit] Silliness?

"Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines,basically a wicked bo car." Is this sort of language allowed on Wiki? I didn't think colloquialisms were banned, or somesuch. Doesn't seem very proper to be honest.

I'm going to edit this out. Any protests?

Edit: Haha, looks like someone beat me to it! The page has been cleaned up since I posted this...

[edit] Yagán

I think that the Yagán belongs more to the Citroën FAF article.Hektor 00:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First generation 2CV picture

The 2CV pictured was build after 1958 I'm quite certain of it. Ericd 10:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need help for picture

hey could someone check the picture on the page about the Sten gun. There is a picture about a french partisan with an american officer. We are trying to find what the car is. If anyone with an idea give me your opinion? Any help is thanked! paat 19:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertisements

The advertising deserves a mention.

I remember a great advertisement for the 2CV (in the British magazine Car, in the late 1980s), with a specification sheet and a "No" against every feature - reconstruction here. (More 2CV ads at [here http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3788/ads/adverts.htm 2CV Advertisements]

See also A comparison between the Citroën 2cv and its closest rival (the camel). (This page also has a tiny image of the ad mentioned above, and more Citroen ads can be seen by starting here and clicking Next at the bottom of each page.)

Hope that helps. I would love the edit the page myself, but my friend is threatening to book me in to the Betty Ford clinic's Wikiholics ward... --Singkong2005 13:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparisons with other cars

I've removed this edit:

While Citroën never replaced the 2CV, companies like Chrysler with the PT Cruiser, Toyota with the Scion xB, and Honda with the Element have recognized the roomy, utilitarian 2CV concept and translated it to the modern era.

I can't see very much in common between these cars and the 2CV. It would be interesting to make comparisons, though I think what it would actually do is highlight the fact that more recent car production has simply not aimed for quite the same goals, and certainly hasn't achieved them with anything like the same success or creativity. Look at fuel consumption - if I have my facts straight, only very expensive cars such as the Toyota Prius are better qualified to be called low-energy vehicles.

Anyway, excuse my rant. Perhaps there is something worth writing though, about comparisons with other cars (but of course more factual and NPOV than my rant). --Singkong2005 (t - c - WPID) 14:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's certainly open to debate what a "modern" 2CV would look like. Most industrialised nations have safety regulations that effectively bar a four passenger 1,500 lb car with wafer thin body panels. Would you get many customers with 2 cylinder power and acceleration these days? Yet it's not impossible to highlight certain core elements of the design - like:

  • -inexpensive
  • -roomy 4/5 door
  • -utilitarian
  • -comfortable suspension
  • -economical to run
  • -somewhat useful offroad
  • -'in your face' design

Honda, Chrysler, and Toyota have each tried to incorporate some of these elements in modern, saleable cars. The missing link between the 2CV and the Chrysler PT Cruiser BTW has a name - it's the Chrysler CCV. 66.229.151.43 07:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems to me the main point here is not a generic "comparisons with other cars" but the fact that while the 2CV (and R4) were not replaced by their makers, consumers in the real world actually have a demonstrated interest in a car like the 2CV.66.77.124.62 21:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: a Modern 2CV - was interested just today to come across this reference to a concept car that borrows (to an extent) from the design - although I'll bet they tone it down by the time/ if it comes to market (this article is 18 months old) - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/58059/legend_returns_as_2cv_is_reborn.html --Ndaisley 21:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition to the nickname of 2 CV in Former Yugoslavia

"In the former Yugoslavia the car was called "Spaček" (pronounced "spa-check," meaning--affectionately--"oddity" or "abberation.")."

I'd like to add that in some parts of Bosnia and Croatia, I'm not sure to what extent, 2CV was also called "žaba" or "žabac" (pronaunced as zhaba or zhabac)in literal translation - a female or a male frog, or affectionaelly 'a froggy car'.


[edit] Diesel 2 CV

Also, in the summer of '82-83, if i remember correctly, i was 17 -18 y.old, a friend of mine and I have instaled a one cylinder diesel engine from a small tractor "Tomo Vinković" made in Bjelovar, Croatia, in order to save big $$ on fuel. This tractor manufacturer had some conections with Italian "Lombardini" company.

Image:Tomo vinkovic 523.jpg

However we ended up returning the old engine back due to the maximum speed being about as fast as a faster walking pace and 'cling-clang' very noisy sound of one cylinder diesel loud engine turning heads of people along the streets of Tuzla in Bosnia. The plan was to get to Adriatic Sea and back on about 20 liters of diesel fuel - due to the shortage funds in our teenage years.

61.68.231.134 06:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 2CV sold 9 million units?

I don't think so, unless you are being incredibly liberal with the truth.

The 2CV has as much in common with the Mehari, Dyane and Ami variants as the VW Beetle with the Type 2 Van/Bus, as the Renault 4 does with the Renault 5,6,7, and the the mark one Ford Fiesta does with every Fiesta from 1976 to 2001.

The 2CV sold 3.8 million units, to add all of the other models is to tell a lie

The 2CV is largely mechanically identical to its other variants - the entire chassis and running gear can be interchanged. That is not true of any of the other examples, even the VW Type 2 had chassis members added to the lengthened Beetle floor pan. In any case, the article states quite clearly what the total production of the 2CV itself was, and that the 9 million total was "spawned" by the 2CV design. Your comment about the variants having no body parts in common is also wrong, by the way - the AK van shares the front part of the 2CV body. -- Ian Dalziel 14:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am aware that the AK van shares the front panel of the 2CV body, but I was not disputing the addition of that car. By the way, the VW Type 2's lenghthened floorpan hardly differentiates it more than the Citroen Ami from the 2CV - all mercedes models come in different wheelbase lengths, that does not make them different models.

Baint just lengthened - there are external chassis members which the Beetle doesn't have. I know about this - I've had to replace a few of them on my Bay. They tried the Beetle pan on the prototype and it wasn't strong enough. On the A series, AFAIK only the rear chassis extensions are different on the 2CV variants. -- Ian Dalziel 21:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2CV competitive for 42 years?

"The 2CV was produced for 42 years, the model finally succumbing to customer demands for speed and safety, areas in which this ancient design had fallen significantly behind modern cars"

This implies that the 2CV was seriously considered alongside modern cars. I seriously doubt this, and think it is fanciful thinking by 2CV devotees. It is more likely that the 2CV bought for the fact that it was different, old and weird looking. It was definitely a niche car.


[edit] Galvanized Steel 2CV (Poor Man's Delorean)

I encountered a fully galvanized steel 2CV while stationed in Germany during the early 1980's. I think I was traveling in France at the time, and did not have a camera to record the event. But I remember it vividly!

The perfect agricultural vehicle, I recall thinking at the time. Any information on this particular "option"?

ejdavid@operamail.com

[edit] non-review

I removed this text - which contains no informational value about the car, only about the bizarre predjudices of an unrelated individual. "Jeremy Clarkson the british motoring journalist claims the 2CV is "one of the worst cars ever made" In the DVD "Heaven and Hell" he is quoted as saying - "..for a time this car was indeed bourght by French farmers, but then it became to company car of choice for the anti-nuclear veg-head mob who got it into their heads that it was kind to the enviroment - they couldn't have been more wrong!" Other quotes include: "it was incapable of going around any corner without falling to pieces," said as the driver's side door opened. "What did anyone see in it" "I've turned it off, and it's still killing the planet" said as the key was removed from the starter and the engine continued to tick over. "the engines going to be on forever," which, in fact, could be stopped by stalling it. The report on this car ended when a gravel skip with "CND" spray-painted on it was dropped on the car from 100 feet, flattening it." 76.168.253.242 08:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure

"The car would use no more than 3 litres of gasoline to travel 100 km"?? Are you sure about that fact? How can you know? Tomer T 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TPV

What exactly is the connection between this project and the Citroen 2CV car? Tomer T 20:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Eh? The 2CV was based on the TPV. That's a connection, surely? -- Ian Dalziel 20:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this is a connection, but it's not understandable enough through the text or not emphasized enough in it. It should be fixed. Tomer T 13:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up of External links

This article was tagged with the Clean-Up Spam Tag. As part of WP:WPSPAM I have cleaned up the external links section. My decisions were based on the guidelines found on WP:WPSPAM and WP:EL.

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